Originally Posted by Fat Hawkstar
Ferrothorn isn't that crippling. Ice Beam is an obvious 2HKO, and Focus Blast OHKOes. Choiced Kyogre is 3HKOed by Ice Beam, and takes the same amount of damage from Focus Blast as it does from Terrakion's Close Combat. Terrakion can sacrifice itself if need be to put it in KO range of pretty much every other attack on my team. Gliscor can set up on Ferrothorn, and a Gliscor behind a Sub can potentially be just as dangerous as the Spikes it sets up. As a last ditch effort, just plain hammering it with stuff or Will-O-Wisping it goes a long way to KOing it. It may not look like it, but I not completely shut down by FerrOgre. Any team that is won't get anywhere close to being successful due to its ubiquity!
Don 't bring up choiced Kyogre, as i was clearly talking about physically bulky RestTalk Kyogre.
Ferrothorn simply gets too many set-up chances. Some examples are after your Kyurem-W kills something with DM, after Palkia kills something with everything except from Fire Blast, against Steel Arceus, against Gliscor and against Kyogre. This means that half of your team is Ferrothorn bait, with no way to do something to it, and then 2 more of your pokes can be set-up on by Ferrothorn if they are locked into their most spammable moves. Gliscor cannot set-up on Ferrothorn, the exact opoosite happens, as after Ferrothorn sets up on Gliscor, who can't do anything except fire a few weak EQs, Kyogre will come in and force you out. Remember, i was talking about the combo of Ferrothorn and RestTalk Kyogre, not Ferro alone. I still believe that if you face this duo, you are in for some serious trouble, but if you are fine with it ok.