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Diatom · Sep 9th, 2012, 1:38:19 PM

OK, so I used Weavile and Klinklang, and here are my thoughts on the pokes:

Klinklang: this thing was bad, but not as bad as some other things (*cough* Ambipom). I ran Chople Berry Klinklang for the first half of the group before dropping it from my team, as the type-resist berries let me get some free shift gears on things like Mienshao and Heracross, then KO them. However, it rarely got more than one KO a match, and the opponent usually just switched in one of its many counters afterward (basically, any steel-type or thing with high defense that resists steel) and proceeded to force it out or KO it. I think it is worthy of a UU analysis, but definitely shouldn't be used outside of the niche role of being a surprise KOer on fighting- or ground-types.

Weavile: this thing, on the other hand, was excellent. Many matches, it found it hard to set up, but once it did, it absolutely steamrolled the other team. Many teams have only one, or even zero, checks to it, and once the check was eliminated, it was easy to set up one, or even sometimes two Swords Dances on something like Porygon2 or Froslass and proceed to sweep. Really, the only things that consistently checked it were fast scarvers (e.g. Flygon, Mienshao) and Crobat. Of course, there were some matches where it couldn't set up, but that is expected from all pokes, not just Weavile. Oh, and by the way, although it gets a bad rap for being frail, its special defense is definitely adequate, and can take some moves before going down.

Here's my team after dropping Klinklang for reference:

=== Untitled 1 ===

Weavile (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Low Kick

Sableye (M) @ Lagging Tail
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 136 SDef / 252 HP / 120 Def
Calm Nature
- Taunt
- Trick
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Chandelure (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Lilligant (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder
- Quiver Dance
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Heracross (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

BTW, Lilligant is incredibly underrated and should see more use.

Sep 9th, 2012, 1:38:19 PM	#25
Diatom Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 78 The ocean	OK, so I used Weavile and Klinklang, and here are my thoughts on the pokes: Klinklang: this thing was bad, but not as bad as some other things (cough Ambipom). I ran Chople Berry Klinklang for the first half of the group before dropping it from my team, as the type-resist berries let me get some free shift gears on things like Mienshao and Heracross, then KO them. However, it rarely got more than one KO a match, and the opponent usually just switched in one of its many counters afterward (basically, any steel-type or thing with high defense that resists steel) and proceeded to force it out or KO it. I think it is worthy of a UU analysis, but definitely shouldn't be used outside of the niche role of being a surprise KOer on fighting- or ground-types. Weavile: this thing, on the other hand, was excellent. Many matches, it found it hard to set up, but once it did, it absolutely steamrolled the other team. Many teams have only one, or even zero, checks to it, and once the check was eliminated, it was easy to set up one, or even sometimes two Swords Dances on something like Porygon2 or Froslass and proceed to sweep. Really, the only things that consistently checked it were fast scarvers (e.g. Flygon, Mienshao) and Crobat. Of course, there were some matches where it couldn't set up, but that is expected from all pokes, not just Weavile. Oh, and by the way, although it gets a bad rap for being frail, its special defense is definitely adequate, and can take some moves before going down. Here's my team after dropping Klinklang for reference: === Untitled 1 === Weavile (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Swords Dance - Ice Punch - Night Slash - Low Kick Sableye (M) @ Lagging Tail Trait: Prankster EVs: 136 SDef / 252 HP / 120 Def Calm Nature - Taunt - Trick - Will-O-Wisp - Recover Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Sheer Force EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Earth Power - Sludge Wave - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt Chandelure (M) @ Choice Specs Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Modest Nature - Fire Blast - Shadow Ball - Energy Ball - Hidden Power [Fighting] Lilligant (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Own Tempo EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef Modest Nature - Sleep Powder - Quiver Dance - Giga Drain - Hidden Power [Fire] Heracross (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Moxie EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Adamant Nature - Megahorn - Close Combat - Stone Edge - Earthquake BTW, Lilligant is incredibly underrated and should see more use. __________________ TFC was banned by aldaron.