Originally Posted by Fat Shuckle4ubers
This is a great team larvos and I will try to find something wrong with (not bloody likely) and have only 1 comment as of now, I hate you for making it, every other person on the ladder has this team and it's very annoying play against. Very very good team larvos!
Originally Posted by Fat Nysyr
Lav, my post comes from experience.
Staying in to toxic things can get your Xatu killed, and very baitable, so T-Wave is much better for stopping setup sweepers. T-Waving a Dnite setting up is much safer than switching genesect in directly as you risk being nailed by a fire punch. It also lets you have some form check to a Salamence, because damn if those things don't hurt your team.
Scarfmie may be uncommon, but there is no reason not to be ready for it.
Popping balloon with ninetales sounds all well and good, until you realise you just played against it wrong as popping its balloon just lets it set up rocks. Energy Ball is still a better choice over HP rock, because you can at least hit water types.
The EVs I listed are just more refined.
I've been around the block a few times too, bro. My posts also come from experience.
On the Dragonite example, first, why the hell would I stay in with Xatu on a Dragonite? I let it set up a Dragon Dance as I U-turn, then I send in Genesect and kill it with Ice Beam. It has no chance to "nail me with Fire Punch", because Xatu is slower than Dragonite, so it'll just be nailing Xatu for about 30% and some Rocky Helmet recoil damage lol.
When I refer to popping Heatran's Balloon, I am referring to Heatran switch-ins, not staying in just to pop the Balloon. How bad do you think I am? This team didn't get #1 by itself.
Originally Posted by Fat bubbly
Most irritating team ever lol. I haven't had too many problems with it but that's because ever since it started popping up I've been using RestTalk Shed Shell Tran :) Anyway, the only real problem with it is that Dragons which don't lose to Genesect (think Kyurem, SubRoost DNite, etc) can definitely be problematic. Scarf Terrakion is as always an issue too if Dugtrio's Sash is broken. Finally, Defensive Politoed isn't that easy for you to remove, but I get that you can normally work past it by threatening V-Create to force it in and out until it's in Dugtrio's 2HKO range.
Only other thing, I really do think Thunder Wave > Toxic on Xatu. Yes, I read your justification for it, but honestly on a team as offensive as this, other weather inducers don't really care (with the exception of Hippowdon, but Hippo is never going to stay in against Xatu anyway) about being poisoned. Nothing on your team bar Xatu can stall for Toxic damage.
Jimbon's Shed Shell Heatran was made to beat this team, actually. Funny that you're using it. It's a good set, though. I agree, Dragons that Genesect can't singlehandedly beat are annoying, but I can generally play around them (I know that's a bad response lol). Scarf Terrakion is annoying, but once it kills something I can revenge it with Dugtrio, who I make a point of keeping healthy when I see Terrakion. Defensive Politoed has never been an issue, really...I can land a Will-O-Wisp and stall it down to where Dugtrio can 2HKO it. You'd be surprised how many Hippowdon stay in on Xatu, actually. Especially if they're packing Ice Fang. But seriously, I need Toxic, otherwise Chansey can PP stall my Xatu and then annoy everything else for the rest of the game. Toxic is also better against Tyranitar and Politoed, both of which tend to switch into Xatu. I'm open to Thunder Wave, though, if you can find multiple scenarios in which it benefits my team more than Toxic.