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Old Sep 20th, 2012, 3:50:01 PM   #50
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Not sure if Celebi should be considered. It is banned in GSC, despite not being a completely necessary ban; but the fact is that it's banned right now either way. Including it would be going another step further again. Moving on to gen 2 pokemon like ttar as we did I think is acceptable, but going for Celebi is essentially like going for a Ru/Sa Pokemon imo (unless we take into account past years when Celebi was unofficially (un)banned (?) in GSC OU). Because honestly, the next logical step is considering Mew/Heatran...

Something to keep in mind is that being Uber clashes with being dominant, and that's something we see with Celebi. Because, really, the most dominant Pokemon is... Mewtwo, or something. If Snorlax gets to #1 it's because it has Uber-esque dominance in GSC and possibly in RBY as well, (it's alongside Chansey and near Tauros in the border line between Ubers and OUs) but is placed OU in both gens. If Celebi doesn't/shouldn't/mightn't have the chance to play for the #1 it's because it's placed in Ubers in GSC despite not being more dominant than Snorlax and despite being Uber as much as it's OU in terms of dominance. So, to a degree, it's a matter of how tiers have been made and where the OU<->Ubers cut-off has been put.

Anyway, if we are to consider Gengar/Zap/Starm for 3/4/5:

RBY
Starmie
(gap3)
Gengar
Zapdos

GSC

Zapdos
(gap4)
Gengar
(gap1)
Starmie

ADV
Gengar
Zapdos
(gap2)
Starmie

gap4 > gap3 > gap2 > gap1 I'd say.

And DP I have no clue about it...
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