Originally Posted by Fat ssbbm
i think species clause WILL make stall unviable
sure, stall can run double pokemon x to deal with things like double rayquaza
but the second stall does that, it loses a valuable pokemon slot: it's possible to check double rayquaza, but can you check double rayquaza AND double kyogre AND double reshiram AND double deoxys-a AND double darkrai AND double Groudon AND double Arceus...?
stall has to be able to check the metagame, but there are too many threats after species clause becomes disallowed. for example, 6x sd arceus is only beatable by running multiple giratina / wallceus / skarmory, but those open up other threats for the team
Correct on Pointing That Out, without Species Clause, Stall is now unviable, Bulky Offense also would drop and HO would dominate the Uber Metagame.
Arceus can also Surprise by using Different Forms (E.G) Arceus-Rock would decimate Ho-OH and the like while ExtremeKiller Breaks Stuff that Rock would not handle, they support Each other Well.
Electric Arceus and Ice Arceus Form the Dreaded Boltbeam Combo (Since both learn Stab Judgment and Ice beam/T-Bolt) Your Bolt-beam weak Team would possibly have trouble with one Arceus, but it cannot take two Arceii Assault.
Anyway, Here is my Thoughts on the OHKO Clause and some Viable Stuff: (But not Better than Resttalk, that set is Epic)
Set: Accuracy Abuse Item:Sash/Petaya/??? Ev's: 252HP 252 Speed 4 Defense
Nature:Timid (+Spd -Atk)
- Substitute/Baton Pass
- Sheer Cold
Imagine the Destructive Power of Both Moody and Sheer Cold At once. If you get an Accuracy Boost from Moody along with gravity, will make sure Sheer Cold will hit most of the time. But Smeargle is Very Frail, So use with caution. Baton Pass is good if risky play is what you want (you Risk being Phazed to pass and if you used SC instead you would have gotten a kill), or if your Smeargle Has been passed A sub already.
While Coil is A more Reliable Option for Smeargle, boosting its defense to take a Banded Butterfree's Tackle (Joke Intended) And it Raises Accuracy, while lasting permanently till Hazed, Phazed, or Switched Out (Except When Baton Passed). Instead of a 5 Turn Gravity, Altough Gravity is usable when its very Risky To Setup Coil and Pass it.
Substitute vs Baton Pass is all a Thing of Sweeper vs Passer, with Substitute, you are able to predict alot easier and can rack up Moody Boosts, while Baton Pass Passes Moody Boosts and sends them to a Deadly Sweeper. A Specs Kyurem-W will possibly Wreck everything: even OHKO'ing Blissey After Rocks with DM. but can't abuse OHKO moves since it can't learn them. The Best Receiver would be Ogre. Since you will be barely using Anything Else Aside Sheer Cold,.
Item:Life Orb/Leftovers/??? (Suggest Something Better)
EV's: 4 HP/ 252 Spa / 252 Spe
- Hydro Pump/Surf
This is one of the Sets that can actually beat Sturdymons 1 on 1. Anyone switching into Sheer Cold will be Destroyed by Water Spout (2HKO due to Sturdy or Stealth Rocks to break Sturdy), Thunder destroys Palkia Switch-ins Predicting Water Spout (The 30% Paralysis is Very Handy). And once at low health, Surf is useful if you didn't pass any Accuracy boosts, but usually Hydro Pump is the Best Option. (To save Sheer Cold PP, like on a Weakened Groudon or a Weakened Arceus, or Multiscale Broken Lugia)
And Back to Killing Moody:
Dual Chop Haxorus:
I know its Crazy but why would you be using a Dual Chop Haxorus when there is Outrage:
Sub Moodier's are the Bane Of non-dual Chop Haxorus. But by Equipping it by one, you''ll break the sub and possibly OHKO smeargle.
Haxorus (M) @Lum Berry
Lum Protects you from Spore and Dark Void, From Moody Smeargle to ScarfDarkrai (Back to Sleep Clause here) As they use the Move, Dragon Dance and Tada! You have a Status Free +1 Haxorus in To kill with Dual Chop. (Rai still outspeeds, so Kill it with Superpower instead of setting up)
Superpower +0 vs +0 Darkrai (252 Spa/ 252 Sp.Def/ 252 Speed)= 344 - 406 OHKO
Rayquaza with 229 Ev's Adamant is same as 252 Adamant Haxorus, Dual Chop Calcs:
Attack vs Defense Item:Lum
Smeargle Ev's: 252HP/252 Speed/ 4 Defense Timid
+1 Dual Chop vs +0 Smeargle= OHKO
+0 Dual Chop vs +0 Smeargle= 110.8% - 130.6% OHKO
+0 Dual Chop vs +1 Smeargle= 74.5% - 87.9% 2HKO
+0 Dual Chop vs +2 Smeargle= 55.4% - 65.6% 2HKO
+2 Dual Chop vs +1 Smeargle= OHKO
So It Concludes it, since you have alot of chances to setup DD in the face of Smeargle, then kill it. So you would usually be at +1.