Originally Posted by Fat StairFall
Well we have a ladder for suspect testing, why don't we open it up to some more unorthodox uses. There's hardly a reason to sit here and talk about theoretical ofs and buts when there is an environment which we could be using to test things. Why not test all the viable weather strategies against weatherless teams and see what the outcomes are? It just seems silly to talk then do nothing. If weather is becoming problematic we should do some research/experimenting to see how much credit there is to them being broken.
Also on the subject HP ground sect even though you lose out on coverage you don't have to run dugtrio who really only exists as part of the genetrio core to defeat heatran, weather starters and some very specific threats I can't think of right now.
I've already tested all the "viable weather strategies", as you put it, against my "weatherless" HO team on the Showdown ladder. I've spoken about this before, and I hate to flaunt my rank to make a point, but I achieved #1 on both the OU and OU Suspect ladders simultaneously with a weatherless team. The idea behind it was to get up rocks and then put a ton of pressure on the opponent to force switches and nab a setup opportunity in the process, then go to work on the opposing team. It worked extremely well, and I think my success with the team proves that weather really does not equate to success in this metagame.
On the subject of HP Ground Genesect, I really don't like this for two reasons. One, it's extremely situational - what if the opponent doesn't have Heatran, like about 80% of them don't? Then you just wasted a moveslot for nothing. Two, you're losing valuable coverage - Genesect really needs all four of its moves to function at maximum capability, and if the opponent has a Pokemon that HP Ground Genesect misses out on covering, you could be screwed. Besides, Dugtrio is an asset for most teams, even outside of trapping Heatran. It also beats a lot of other stuff, most notably Tyranitar and Ninetales, but many common OU Pokemon besides those can be easily trapped and killed by it. Saying Dugtrio is a waste just doesn't add up.
I agree with your basic premise, though. People should stop sitting around theorymoning, get out there and test stuff before you post.