Join Date: Mar 2012
All right, I got a lot to say: for one thing, calm mind bronzong is, um, well I don't even get why it's a set; not only have I tested it, but on that off chance I face one it never does ANYTHING. Honestly, this set has horrible coverage, steel as a STAB used in general is off to me, and the fact that protect is on that, why? Also, I highly suggest protect on the standard zong over toxic because darm and victini like to switch it up between u-turn and v-create/flare blitz, so it can be problematic to deal with them switching in and out. Also, it scouts for the new oh-so-common hi jump kick trend in UU. Finally, with its lack of recovery zong appreciates the leftovers a lot more than you'd think, and it tends to let me live hits.
Next is umbreon, I think foul play should be an option, but thats just my opinion.
Rest talk raikou is the next thing I wanna talk about; I've literally never seen it on the ladder and for a good reason. For one thing it's very hard to keep ground types off the field at the end of the game because common pokemon like flygon and gligar tend to last very long, also, raikou's bulk doesnt in any way suffice for running rest-talk ESPECIALLY with max hp and speed over special attack making it slightly bulky, weak, and incapable of even touching ground types.
Houndoom: Passho berry should honestly be self-explanatory as to why it's useless, but I also think sucker punch should be an option on the nasty plot set; I don't think houndoom is really all-that threatening, but sucker punch helps it a lot even on nasty plot with 4 attack.
Mienshao: Mienshao should have reckless as an option under the scarfed set, it ohkos SO many more things with the boost than before; it becomes a potent flygon, heracross (read later and you'll see why), Kingdra, Raikou, Rotom-h, and togekiss revenge-killer. It kills all of those after rocks, and even kills flygon with hi jump kick without rocks around 90% of the time. Also, since heracross is #1, and thinks that even the scarf set cant ohko it, I suggest aerial ace, as I find it more useful than doing 40% to a gligar, or drain punch. Heracross is the most used pokemon, and it helps a lot to safely come in on it and have them almost never switch out.
Heracross: I think pursuit should be an option on the banded set to trap chandelure locked into shadow ball, weak slowbros trying to regenerate, etc.
Flygon: I think the scarfed set should run fire blast as a secondary move because it hits bronzong for 37% - 44% Whereas fire punch only hits for 28% - 34%, but it can't ohko escavalier with 4 spec attack, it has to run -defense /spec D, and it cant do as much to ferroseed as theyre mostly specially defensive, but considering bronzong is probably more common than both of those combined (I'm assuming) and it still does huge damage to them whereas with fire punch bronzong is almost a counter, I think it can be a superior choice, but due to its ups and downs I suggest making it a suggestion.
Froslass: Honestly, I think the bulky set is stupid, but I've seen people make it work so I can't say its all bad, but I suggest putting enough speed to outspeed zoroark and mienshao. Really though, max special attack and speed is the set I see more often on smogon servers, and I think its a superior choice. It LOVES destiny bond, it gets at least 1 layer up and 2 up more often than not, its ice beam actually hits UU things hard, and froslass isnt that bulky anyway.
Darmanitan: I think the sub encore set sucks, it can't touch chandelure at all, and it has a lot of bad coverage against a LOT of things, and encore is useless. On the scarfed set, I cannot stress this enough, rock slide is a better choice compared to eq. With 2 or 3 less base power (not sure how the rounding works), the ability to hit rotom-h and moltres, and the ability to hit many more things in the tier for super-effective damage than eq which only hits like 2 or 3, I think its easily superior, and its really weird that its not even an option.
Pretty much that's it, I hope you take these into consideration, and I didn't mean to sound insulting if I did, I rely on some of the sets for tiers I dont know as well as UU, and I even use some for UU to see what gives the best coverage.
Also I forgot to mention for darmanitan that if you use rock slide on a chandelure or a non-scarfed darmanitan theyre probably going to switch to something to take an EQ, so it becomes a safe play to nail the togekiss, rotom-h, zapdos, xatu, crobat, etc
Last edited by kokoloko; Oct 1st, 2012 at 10:43:11 PM.
Reason: stop double posting ffs