I can agree from experience that I tried too hard to make Mandibuzz useful in a defensive team. I've had past transgressions with it such where I replaced it with something that was more effective in RU.
Originally, Mandibuzz sat perfectly in D tier. I guess it shall go back there unless people wish to discuss how Buzz got stuff from B2W2 that makes it too invaluable for D/E tiers (I am in fact willing to just let her be in E tier; there are more than enough Dark-types that make her obsolete in RU in general).
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I can agree with Uxie being moved up to S Rank. It is one of the few defensive walls that hosts a majority of different roles for itself. I'd like to think of Uxie as "Cresselia 1.5". I can also argue something similar for Musharna, though. However, not enough people use Musharna for her to be in S Rank, so this distinction will have to wait.
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I'm also going to argue that Dusknoir is a decent Pokemon. Not amazing, but decent. Here lie my arguments for why Noir should be in B Rank (not any higher than B Rank, mind):
*Very few Ghosts to legitimately compete with in the tier. It shares a niche exclusively with Spiritomb as a Cryogonal counter. Cofagrigus is no longer present to compete with Noir in RU, albeit neither outclasses the other really because Dusknoir is to hit from the Physical spectrum whereas Cofagrigus would hit from the Special spectrum. Spiritomb works as a mixed defender, even having Mixed offensive stats. Speaking of, Spiritomb is really the only Ghost-type that Dusknoir is outclassed by.
*Base 100 Attack, and base 135 defenses. Compare this with 92 Atk and 108 defenses from Spiritomb. Spiritomb only beats it in HP by 5 points (45 HP from Dusknoir, 50 HP from Spiritomb), and in Special Attack by 27 (65 Sp. Atk. from Dusknoir compared to 92 Sp. Atk. from Spiritomb) while otherwise losing in Speed by 10 points (45 Speed from Dusknoir to 35 Speed from Spiritomb). Spiritomb also is Dark/Ghost, though, which means that its presence in A Rank is unmatched as a Ghost.
*An expansive Physical movepool for which it can counter more than just Cryogonal with. It has a good Special movepool as well, albeit 65 Sp. Atk. isn't doing it many favors admittedly. However, Noir's movepool does include, both Physical and Support moves involved:
**Fire Punch to give a more solid blow to Cryo, as well as dismantle Escavalier.
**Ice Punch for a handful of Pokemon, namely Nidoqueen and Druddigon among many others.
**ThunderPunch for the likes of Moltres and other Flying-types, or for a majority of Bulky Waters who think they have a shot against Dusknoir.
**FocusPunch, a key move in some of Noir's sets
**Shadow Sneak / Shadow Punch - reasonably good STAB; the former serves as priority that Spiritomb also has, while Shadow Punch hits harder and doesn't care about accuracy
**DynamicPunch - which, when boosted by Gravity, becomes 83% accurate. Unless the analysis for Dusknoir in OU is currently incorrect...
**Earthquake - For those who are x4 weak to Ground, as well as for most Steel-types
**Rock Slide for Fliers and Pokemon x4 weak to Rock; while not that great compared to the Elemental Punches, it is still solid enough to warrant consideration in the movepool
**Return - Still decent, although you get nearly-perfect coverage from Fighting/Ghost attacks alone
**An array of support moves for full tank sets which are still effective:
***For example, it can help set up Trick Room or weather (Rain Dance/Sunny Day) so that other Pokemon on the team can triumph against your foes; the nefarious and notorious Torment which is uncommonly seen on Heatran in OU; Toxic, if you're not too fond of Will-o-Wisp; Pursuit, albeit Spiritomb is arguably better at that due to STAB; and last but certainly not least, Psych Up - so people don't just think they can spam Bulk Up/Calm Mind/Quiver Dance/Shift Gear on you without Noir getting the boosts, too
However, a lot of Dusknoir's Physical movepool is also shared by Golurk.
Again, while I do agree that Spiritomb is slightly better, Dusknoir is still a really good Pokemon in its own right and shouldn't be overlooked.
Last edited by /B/utterfree; Oct 6th, 2012 at 5:26:55 AM.