Originally Posted by Fat Scarfwynaut
In all seriousness though this does bring up a good point, you can't just have ninetails on for the sake of ninetails being there. Its late at the moment, but I am sure there are a few pokemon which ninetails takes care of on this stall team. Im sure I am missing something, but Ninetails can in theory be a great / shanky counter to the following pokemon:
-Genesect (if you can keep rocks off the field)
-CM Jirachi (?)
-NP-Thundurus-T (if rocks aren't up)
It can also nicely scare away Ferrothorn and Forretress
So yeah, Ninetails isn't total shit, if you ever build a stall team you will realize that a few of those threats are actually quite potent, If we build around those strengths of ninetails from the get go, I am sure we will succeed.
Very shaky for venusaur, thundurus T, . Abomasnow should do well against it too, and CM jirachi can probably just boost and then sub on it-mindgames with WoW, i suppose, or maybe roar it if it can even do that. I don't even think it can do that much to conkeldurr, other than hit it hard.
It's not TOTAL shit, it's just much more preferable to use another pokemon. You can say almost all of that for heatran;it's got trouble taking superpowers from SDzor and EQ's from aboma, but then there's that whole "higher spatk, SR, resist to dragon" thing it's got going.
Stairfall, you should also mention he has sleep powder, which gives him a great way to get that initial sub. Most subseeders have that problem of being unable to force out a stubborn opponent, but jumpluff steals said stubborness with the serenity of sleep.