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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 12:03:50 PM   #8
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@ ganj4lF: I have considered running Jolly over Adamant just for Deoxys-D and such, but I really haven't seen that much of Deoxys-D in general to warrant that change. I realise the pros of running Jolly but there haven't really been too many situations where I would've needed Jolly. I'll definitely try it out to see how it works, I'm not sure if there are any notable OHKOs I miss with Adamant.

As for the Heal Bell suggestion on Lanturn, that's also something I've had a lot of people suggest. As nice as Heal Bell is, I really, really like Volt Switch on Lanturn. Lanturn is pretty much the only thing that can take a hit or two on my team, and being able to get safe and free switches into frailer teammates is excellent, given that Lanturn is usually slower than everything that commonly switches into it. ResTalk + Heal Bell would be nice for prolonging the longevity of Lanturn, but losing Volt Switch means I'm now much easier to be turned into setup fodder and I lose a lot of momentum, something that my team kind of relies on.

I'll try out the Jolly > Adamant change on Mew, thanks for the suggestions!

@ Gimmick: hi friend <3

Yeah, Sun teams with Venusaur are one of the biggest problems to face, for the reasons you listed. Generally I try to set up with Landorus early or explode with Mew, but that isn't exactly reliable. Hail on Mew / Lanturn is an interesting idea, but both have pretty bad 4mss, and there's nothing I'd like to lose on either of them. I'll definitely try it though, as it is a big deterrent to Rain easing my reliance on Lanturn, and stops Sun when Ninetales is gone. Thunder Wave is also an interesting option on Mew, and actually gives me a reason not to instantly explode. Venusaur can't OHKO it, neither can any other Chlorophyll abuser without a boost or two. Thunder Wave keeps said abusers in check, and makes them much easier to deal with for my other teammates etc.

Good suggestions as always, thanks!

@ TGMD: I've been looking for a more efficient Genesect set than my current one, so thanks for that. Ever since I played Dream World, I've just stuck with 252 Spe with Scarf, but I wasn't aware that there wasn't anything relevant worth investing to beat. Thanks for the suggestion!

@ Joeyboy: Yeah, I'll probably go with this spread for Genesect, as Dragons in general are kinda annoying to face, especially with no reliable Dragon resist. With Naive, Genesect can switch into one Draco Meteor before it dies, so this change will definitely help out.

As for the Hidden Power [Ice] suggestion, I think I'll stick with Hidden Power [Ghost] for the time being. If I were to go with an Ice move, I'd choose Icy Wind, which means I'd also probably opt for Hidden Power [Electric] for BoltBeam like coverage. This means I lose out on an dual water STAB, which is something I'd be hesitant to do so. I like having Surf and Hydro Pump on Keldeo in situations of Power vs Accuracy, which is important as a Choice Specs user. With Secret Sword + Hidden Power [Ghost], I still retain perfect coverage as well as two STAB moves.

Thanks for the good suggestions though, I'll be using your Genesect spread. Thanks again!

@ JLei2K: Yeah Latios is a problem, but I really haven't had that much trouble with it. Normally I can play around it with Genesect + hazards, and Mew can live a hit from any set that isn't Specs, and Specs means free setup for Terrakion. It still is a problem though, as I do lack something to reliably switch into constant Draco Meteors. Latias is much easier to deal with, as Genesect can take a couple hits, it can't switch into Keldeo / Terrakion and OHKO it, and Mew lives much more comfortably to the point where I can potentially Tailwind + Explode on it.

@ PenguinX: hi peng

Yeah Dugtrio Rain is a bad matchup, given that Dugtrio traps Lanturn and puts it into the point where it is easily revengeable even by Tornadus or Genesect. Kingdra is a cool option, especially as it helps against all weathers, murdering Rain / Sun offense when Ferrothorn is gone. I do think Keldeo would be the most replaceable in this instance, as they perform similar roles. My only concern is that I have a much harder time beating defensive cores, as Kingdra is easily walled.

Thanks for the luvdiscs and rates everyone, your suggestions are much appreciated!
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