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Originally Posted by Fat TheStarRapper
This is not so much a rate as a comment that I am really impressed with this guide, you clearly spent a lot of time on it and have covered the topic thoroughly. In my limited experience with Baton Pass teams, here are some threats that you have not addressed.
Clear Smog- A rare move on Amoonguss, but can be countered either by being behind a subsitute, which appears to be the goal of a BP team to avoid crits. Scizor is also immune, as Clear Smog is a poison move.
Haze- As far as I am aware BP teams have no way to fight against Haze, but as it is so rare it is a non factor.
Quagsire- Without a Grass/Move, you cannot bypass a Quagsire should it decide to go on a Curse rampage. Luckily you are a smart guy and have Ninjask to Toxic it, just be proactive.
I am always pretty terrified when I play against a Baton Pass team, as I usually have only one way to beat them, and if that Mon goes down it is game over. I also learned, to my chagrin, that Mr. Mime is immune to Genesect's Bug Buzz, so it being choice locked can be used to your advantage.
All in all, BP is a sweet team style, and props for the guide/RMT!
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Ah, yes I knew I was forgetting something. I will edit it later today to address those moves as well as Dragon Tail more in depth. Thanks for pointing that out. Im glad you enjoyed the read.
Clear smog is typically a joke because any pokemon can keep a substitute up for a long time vs such a weak attack, not to mention scizors immunity and the fact that stored power from espeon is super effective STAB and can 1HKO Amoonguss (the only viable user) at even low stat levels. Dragon Tail is virtually the same threat but requires Vaporeon and Scizor to get off defense boosts to stop Dragin Tail from breaking the Substitutes on weaker/less resistant teammates.
Haze, which I have seen only once, is a tough fight, but doable. Ultimately you need to get a few stat boosts off and try to dry pass to an attacker as they switch, and continue to weaken or outright kill the Hazer. Haze without priority can be treated as a non priority taunt that can't be reflect. So just kill the user asap.
Quagsire can be beaten as you mentioned, since he often runs a STAB Ground and Water attack, you can force the Ground attack with Vaporeon and switch to Ninjask for a Toxic. Although the much simplier method is to just kill it with a high stat base Stored Power. When attacking against Quagsire, your special attack bonus will be lost, but that stat boost still increases the Stored Power base damage. Likewise, your defense bonuses still increase its base power as well. Keep boosting as it Curses, and then 1HKO it with a STAB Stored Power from Espeon.