Originally Posted by Fat jmurdah617-rougue
Check: A pokemon that will come in not-so-easily, maybe after death fodder and threaten to out-beat the opposing pokemon whether immediatly or proceedingly.
Counter: A pokemon that outright threatens the opposing pokemon with resistances, blocking strategies, set up windows and of course an easy KO.
By your own definition of a check, Heatran is not a check. Heatran cannot come in on earth power Celebi, even if it does predict a leafstorm or an HP fire, or some in after a pokemon has been sacked. Celebi will just click earth power since it out speeds and proceed to smash through Heatran.
What you are proposing is almost 2 definitions of a check, the regular definition which you just posted, and pokemon which use the properties of a counter, which which you described, but fails at times.
It seems apparent to me that that is not the way of classifying Heatran vs Celebi. Heatran counters Celebi, if it fails, well then it fails end of story, it doesn't get demoted to a check.
What happens when I do the same to a check? The regular CB Scizor, with quick attack, checks a regular Volcarona after stealth rock damage for example. But if Volcarona is a bulky version with morning sun, it can take a quick attack from Scizor and heal up health or even just spam morning sun until Scizor gets burned. What is CB Scizor then, it has failed to adequately check an uncommon Volcarona, does it drop to some sort of lower check status as a whole then? No, it’s a regular check to Volc with flaws; Heatran is a regular counter to Celebi with flaws.