Originally Posted by Fat feriokun
How would you deal with this?:
Scrafty @ Leftovers
Trait: Shed Skin
EVS: 252 HP / 8 Atk / 248 SpD
~ Bulk Up
~ Drain Punch
~ Dragon Tail
I assume you go to Scizor and start using Iron Defense. So you put a sub up till he uses bulk up over Dragon Tail. (Or Dragon Tail Misses) Then Scizor starts using Iron defense. If you get to +6 and he is just bulking up, then he'll be at x4 Attack. This is not enough to kill scizors sub or umbreon, but the others will likely lose theirs. And without a few calm minds (if he comes out early) then umbeon can't take him either. Also stored power doesn't work on him! Toxic doesn't work either due to shed skin.
Just wondering how you would play out the situation?
I've actually fought that particular set twice before, both were before I started using Umbreon. In both cases I did as you mentioned, switching to Scizor and sitting behind a Substitute. Dragon Tail misses a good amount of the time, and would take several hits to beat Scizor. Iron Defense while he attempts to Dragon Tail or break your Substitute. Once at +6 Defense, he is at best at +4 Attack and +4 Defense. At this point I would switch to Vaporeon, who can deal decent damage with Surf. If I have no Calm Minds, the kill isn't as easy, but still doable. Vaporeon's Substitute's are extremely bulky and can tank Scrafty's hits fairly well. Since it takes him two attacks to break my Substitute, I normally Surf, Sub, Surf, Sub, etc, until he dies or switches out. Most of the time once they realize they aren't breaking my Substitute, they will Bulk Up to +6 attack and then realize that they still can't break my Substitutes at even +6. You can check the damage calculators, at +6 attack vs +6 defense Vaporeon, Scrafty does at best 22% with Drain Punch. This gives me enough turns to slowly kill it with Surf. I believe its roughly a 6HKO, assuming they are running Leftovers. Although, I personally would get it low enough to ensure a kill with Umbreon once I switched.
Of the times I fought this set, one time I already had 3 Calm Minds beforehand and got an easy 2HKO with Surf. The other time I went through I 6HKO and barely made it out. I think I used Substitute until I realized I wouldn't be able to get another off, and switched to Celebi (this was my replacement for Umbreon at the time) and finished it off.
Although a much easier route would be to lull them into killing you with Drain Punch and just stall out the PP. Since its a base PP of 10 (same as Dragon Tail) you could easily sit on Scizor all day just Sub, Roost, Sub, Roost until they realize they can't go anywhere. At this point any smart player would conserve PP by using Bulk Up over and over, at which point I could use Baton Passes 40 base PP and just switch between Vaporeon and Scizor, using Substitute when needed. Its a rather annoying way to win, but its a much safer route. I personally would just suggest draw at this point =P