Originally Posted by Fat Chimpakt
Sorry I didn't notice your post about the other options ove Umbreon.
Togekiss's last moveslot would have to be Airslash or Roost. There's no reason for you to not run Airslash seeing as its the best move for it.
I've used Baton Pass in the past and I don't like Venomoth with ninjask. They both pass speed, but Venomoth just adds in the Special boosts along with it. If I were to use Venomoth, I would not use Ninjask on the team as well, but Ninjask is very vital to your team, so I wouldn't use it.
Zapdos needs at least 60 Speed EVs so that you outpace Tornadus-T. I wouldn't make it any faster seeing as how the faster pokemon are going to be scarfed, and obviously won't hit as hard. They will also be more than likely specially based, which Zapdos won't have much of a problem with. For a makeshift EV spread I would go with 252 HP / 192 SAtk / 60 Spe Modest Nature. Sub and roar are pretty good options on it, but the coverage is going to be very essential. I would only run substitute if you don't run Roost. I feel like Roost would be essentially early on in the game if your opponent leads with Tornadus, so that you are able to pass to Zapdos, and take the hit and recover it off later.
Ill take that Zapdos set as my first attempt. Thanks for the idea. Boltbeam does seem to fit my needs well. Why the 60 speed EVs tho? I will have +1 speed from Ninjask already.
Also, I would most likely run a set on Venomoth that does not pass speed at all. It would run: Disable, Sleep Powder, and then Bug Buzz or Substitute. Bug Buzz with Tinted Lense would be enough to kill dark Pokemon late game, and Disable would be used to stop any Choice Pokemon. Sleep Powder could put an end to many attackers as well as eliminate threats such as Perish Song, Taunt, Roar, etc. Substitute could be used instead of Bug Buzz to make Disable even stronger, but then would leave my team with only Espeon and Vaporeon to attack.
Togekiss provides immunity to Ghost and more special defense, but Zapdos is more resistant to Electric and Flying. I guess the choice depends on how well would Zapdos tank STAB choiced Ghost attacks compared to Togekiss tanking a STAB Choiced Electric or Flying Attack?