Originally Posted by Fat BlackLight
I think teammates are rather irrelevant when judging if something is broken or not. We could theoretically make the same argument to most Pokemon who are only really walled by a single Pokemon, such as Haxorus. (I know, I know, bad example, but you get the point.) It only really gets walled by Skarmory, and maybe Forretress? But both can be wiped out by Magnezone as well. That doesn't make Haxorus any more dangerous to stall, because Magnezone is a conpletely different Pokemon that stall should have ways to deal with.
That being said, I don't play stall, personally, so I have no real experience walling Garchomp, so I might be looking at things from the wrong angle.
Originally Posted by Fat tehy
Mostly true, but in the case of trappers, you can't just switch out to another pokemon. Most of the named counters to chomp can easily be trapped and disposed of if they lack shed shell, bronzong might come out on top heavily weakened but it has trouble healing, so that's not great anyhow.
And haxorus is much easier to revenge in general. And that DOES make it more dangerous to stall.
Yeah, this is why I wasn't sure and wanted to ask. (Fun Fact: SpecsZone outruns and 2HKOs Bronzong with HP Fire while avoiding a OHKO from EQ)
Garchomp is different from Haxorus in that it has STAB EQ, which makes a big difference. It lets him function as a Wall Breaker with just SD and 252 attack EVs without having to lock him into an Outrage. This lets him be much more flexible than Haxorus both in set design and actual play. If you really wanted to you could build a SDHaxorus like set and have similar results, although you will have a slight chance to miss out on some guaranteed OHKOs. Don't forget that Garchomp has all the coverage moves it needs to get past stuff like Skarmory all by itself, it just chooses not to most of the time.
Some more fun facts:
250 SpAtk (= uninvested base 107) is needed to OHKO Garchomp after SR with Ice Beam
400 Atk (= uninvested base 182) is needed to OHKO Garchomp after SR with Ice Fang
339 SpAtk (= about uninvested base 152) is needed to OHKO Garchomp after SR with HP Ice
347 Atk (= about uninvested base 156) is needed to OHKO Garchomp after SR with Ice Punch
(This is assuming 0/0/0 Defense EVs, and all attacks don't have STAB)
[01:47:47] <+Limi> gamefreak has confirmed the rumour
[01:47:53] <+Limi> that mewtwo now has a tumor
[01:47:59] <+Limi> but please man, chill out
[01:48:03] <+Limi> you don't need to pout
[01:48:08] <+Limi> just take it all in good humour!
Originally Posted by Fat trickroom
Blizzard is for the whole Dragon Slayer thing, it OHKOes almost any Dragon in the tier save Kyurem, Giratina, Dialga, Palkia, Reshiram, Zekrom, Latios, Latias and Giratina-O.