Originally Posted by Fat azureAngelic
may as well throw in my cents regarding the team i used ingame, currently training to take on gym 7
Heracross: Low/Middle Tier (Black only)
Availability: Like Roselia, you can catch Heracross before the fourth gym. Not painfully late, not comfortably early.
Stats: Being an unevolving Pokemon, Heracross comes packaged with excellent stats, including a beastly Attack and enough speed to use it.
Typing: Bug/Fighting, although giving Heracross a critical Flying weakness, isn't actually that bad. Or rather, it wouldn't be, if...
Movepool: Megahorn at level 46. That alone sums up everything wrong with Heracross. Granted, the rest of it's movepool is actually good. Brick Break and Close Combat at low-medium levels is excellent, and it even comes with Aerial Ace. Night Slash is available as well if you don't mind coughing up a Heart Scale at the PWT in Driftveil. That said, the biggest draw of Heracross is that it's a Bug/Fighting type, and it's capable of learning exactly two Bug-type attacks before the endgame: Megahorn at level 46 (around the seventh gym) and Struggle Bug via TM (a pathetically weak special attack). That's it. You get the X-Scissor TM before gym 5, but Heracross can't use the bloody thing. Without any STAB, a Bug typing is purely a downside, and when it comes to simply beating things to death with Fighting STAB Timburr comes earlier, has an arguably better movepool, lacks a 4x Flying weakness and does just as well.
Major Battles: With the exception of Skyla, Heracross is pretty much neutral to everything. Not being resisted by Drayden is nice, and the type advantage over Clay's Excadril is welcome.
Additional Comments: Seriously, if this thing could use the X-Scissor TM it would easily be high tier. As it stands, there's no reason to use Heracross over Timburr unless you REALLY need a kickass Bug STAB and don't mind waiting for it.
lv46 isn't even that late
for reference marlon's team is ~lv49 and you don't even need megahorn before him (nor for him either). Timburr's movepool is leagues worse than Hera, stuck with the not-so-spammable Superpower and still having to dick with Wake-up Slap when Heracross is already kicking ass with Close Combat. Bug isn't even a bad
typing, fire and rock attacks are rare while Heracross is already weak to Flying.
Heracross is the best fighting type in the game, period, and there's no reason why it should be anywhere below high. you're penalising heracross for not getting a move that is essentially superfluous until the last gym, which isn't even that late, an entire tier? wat
Currently on my W2 PT I'm using Elekid, and frankly he's quite... ok. Low defense and lollowkick early on is pretty maddening, but it didn't take much effort for Swift and Shock Wave and he could kind of pull his weight. Leaning towards mid for now, that low defense means he has a lot of problems trying to switch in (although he's fast... really fast, but still lacking blitzle's electric immune...) and magnemite's steel typing + better bulk means it doesn't have much problems coming in either...