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**PK Gaming** · Oct 18th, 2012, 9:50:41 PM

Update
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Deoxys-D up from A tier ==> S-tier
Xatu added to B tier
Sableye added to B tier
Gothitelle added to B tier

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On Ferrothorn's tiering placement:
If this tier list were made in BW1, i'd have no problem with placing Ferrothorn in A-tier, but as it stands in the current metagame, it doesn't belong in A-tier. The claim that's capable of walling everything is patently false, it actually flat out loses to the vast majority "of big name" new threats in BW2 like Keldeo, Genesect, Tornadus-T, and Thundurus-T. Not to mention the fact that Breloom received a massive buff, Garchomp getting unbanned, the rise of Terrakion & Landorus and most of the older Dragons got Fighting moves make Ferrothorn's job even harder than before. The end result is the BW2 metagame is really harsh towards Ferrothorn. That doesn't mean its necessarily bad, it's still king at walling certain threats, and hard to play around if you a grass-type or a spinner but it's nowhere near as good as it was during its prime.

On Venusaur tiering placement:
Venusaur is really powerful, and I can see why some would want to place it in A-tier, but in comparison to Tornadus-T as a "premier" weather abuser, it kind of falls short. For one, outside of rain Tornadus-T is still a lightning fast offensive Pokemon with Regenerator, U-turn and a 70% accurate hurricane which is still solid. Venusaur outside of sun is a realllly slow offensive Pokemon with the occasional sleep move that's kind of easy to check. It doesn't really hold up well without sun behind. Not to mention the fact Rain is significantly more common, so there's less stress on Tornadus-T players because they don't have to worry about keeping their weather.

C-tier is probably too low a tier for Reuniclus & Toxicroak. Thoughts on this?

Oct 18th, 2012, 9:50:41 PM	#63
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,527 Izanagi	Update ===== Deoxys-D up from A tier ==> S-tier Xatu added to B tier Sableye added to B tier Gothitelle added to B tier ==== On Ferrothorn's tiering placement: If this tier list were made in BW1, i'd have no problem with placing Ferrothorn in A-tier, but as it stands in the current metagame, it doesn't belong in A-tier. The claim that's capable of walling everything is patently false, it actually flat out loses to the vast majority "of big name" new threats in BW2 like Keldeo, Genesect, Tornadus-T, and Thundurus-T. Not to mention the fact that Breloom received a massive buff, Garchomp getting unbanned, the rise of Terrakion & Landorus and most of the older Dragons got Fighting moves make Ferrothorn's job even harder than before. The end result is the BW2 metagame is really harsh towards Ferrothorn. That doesn't mean its necessarily bad, it's still king at walling certain threats, and hard to play around if you a grass-type or a spinner but it's nowhere near as good as it was during its prime. On Venusaur tiering placement: Venusaur is really powerful, and I can see why some would want to place it in A-tier, but in comparison to Tornadus-T as a "premier" weather abuser, it kind of falls short. For one, outside of rain Tornadus-T is still a lightning fast offensive Pokemon with Regenerator, U-turn and a 70% accurate hurricane which is still solid. Venusaur outside of sun is a realllly slow offensive Pokemon with the occasional sleep move that's kind of easy to check. It doesn't really hold up well without sun behind. Not to mention the fact Rain is significantly more common, so there's less stress on Tornadus-T players because they don't have to worry about keeping their weather. C-tier is probably too low a tier for Reuniclus & Toxicroak. Thoughts on this? __________________ Last edited by PK Gaming; Oct 18th, 2012 at 10:06:15 PM.