Originally Posted by Fat macle
So for A rank suggestions so far there is
There is talk about Chinchou and Lileep not being A ranked. Anymore thoughts on these guys?
I would say Chinchou is definitely A rank. Being able to bring such incredible defensive support to a team with Heal Bell as well as having significant offensive abilities with great coverage solidly cements its place in A rank.
I'm not so sure about Lileep though. HP Fire covers a lot of the common problems cited in this thread about it getting walled by steel types, but its weakness to fighting types is still crippling. It's also kind of in its own niche now as being an anti-sandstorm pokemon since at least 1/3 of the average sand team will get destroyed by Giga Drain. It can't really support because there are so many better SR users out there and not using AncientPower gives it terrible coverage.
I don't agree with Hippopotas being A tier either. For a defensive pokemon, he's just way too easy to kill. How many teams carry a Toxic user? A pokemon with Giga Drain? A Water type? A large majority of LC teams carry one of those three and often more. If it weren't for sand he'd be C tier or lower easily. I don't know how people in this thread can argue for Snover to be B-tier because "all he does is stop sand" yet the sand streamer unanimously gets voted into A rank because all he does is start sand (and set up rocks I guess but whatever).
Speaking of Stealth Rock users, I think Bronzor
should be under consideration for A rank
as well. As a defensive pokemon his plethora of resistances and considerable bulk give him ample time to set up rocks or screens or Toxic some pokemon. His access to STAB Psychic helps against the many fighting types who he will run into in the format and STAB Flash Cannon is a move that no pokemon is completely immune to. Few pokemon resist this combination but for the ones who do, Bronzor also has access to Earthquake as a coverage move. His biggest downfall isn't his weakness to fire (and technically you could run Heatproof for that if you really wanted to get hit by Earthquake) but his lack of a reliable recovery move. This makes Recycle+Oran Berry a viable option with Bronzor whereas it wouldn't be with any other pokemon, which really says something. So I think Bronzor belongs in A rank.
Originally Posted by Fat Ray Jay
Yeah I approve of this list, maybe add Croagunk as well. Croagunk has a niche in good resistances / immunities, useful priority, decent bulk, and the ability to act as a utility counter to a whole mess of things in the tier.
Croagunk is good but he just has too many common weaknesses. Croagunk has to be extremely careful around any pokemon that knows a Psychic, Flying, or Ground attack or else he's done for good. Because of this, I don't see him rising beyond B Tier.
So I might be jumping ahead here but where would Sandshrew fall on these rankings? He's basically just a bad Drilbur which means he doesn't require any more support than Drilbur would except maybe having to use Swords Dance twice instead of just once. At the same time though, his only real purpose is to complement Drilbur. Unless Drilbur were banned for some reason, I can't see any reason why people would use Sandshrew over him. I can see him as being as high as B rank or as low as D rank.