^ the above belongs in the wifi section, not in C&C
anyway
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3458054 did we ever get anywhere with this discussion of the forretress EV spread? did anyone ever figure out what those 80 special defense EVs are for? (they're still listed on the main physically defensive forry analysis) cause if not ima head over to the subjective changes thread and suggest they be removed