While I don't really like Scraggy as a whole because of the many things everyone has said about it being easily checked, I agree with Nanoswine that it should be S-Rank just because of the very same deffinition he has provided. It is an extremely well balanced and effective set-up sweeper and the fact it has indeed forced teams to have one or two checks to it is the proof we need. Scraggy to S rank
Now, I think there have been more pokes on discussion than just Scraggy:
Originally Posted by Fat Vader
Shellder and Munchlax for B-rank imo
Agreed, both can be a pain but only if you have enough support for them. I think Shellder is a little more viable than Munchlax as it can set up on Murkrow while Munchlax is threatened by every fighting-type in the tier.
Foongus is B
Originally Posted by Fat Corkscrew
Foongus - B or A rank
Bronzor - B rank
Lickitung - C rank
Munchlax - C rank
, not A. I have had more success with Bulbasaur than Foongus as Bulba has more SpA to damage Drilbur, higher Def and higher SpD. I think Foongus is just good on paper but it's not game changing even if its typing is good over Ferroseed and Lileep.
Bronzor is C
. It can't do anything in the battle if it has been taunted, really. I think it has very good typing but all you have to do is slowly wear it down as it can't 2HKO anything. Vullaby and Murkrow can have a happy picnic on its face not to mention that every set-up sweeper laughs on its face, seeing that all of the threats on the upper ranks have at least one viable set-up move, I can't understand why Bronzor could be B.
Magnemite is B, possibly A
. It's just a very good mon with the exact amount of support options to be annoying as hell. Sure, it's hampered by its Fighting weakness but at least it can Volt-switch to an appropriatte teammate to patch up that.
Lickitung and Munchie are B
; a weakness to Scraggy, Mienfoo and Croagunk is a really let down but its good qualities are more than its weakness. Both have SpD and Def to survive mixed 'Crow assaults. None of them have reliable recovery but they can wall special attackers in A and S ranks like Missy, Snover
, Lileep, Magnemite and beyond. They both can boost their Defense and power up its offense; and can shuffle the team to prevent setting up on them... I can understand the weakness may be glaring but a Pokemon is not ONE weakness. Then again, for that very reason, Lileep could be C and Bronzor could be A. The weakness/resistance to fighting types shouldn't be the reason a pokemon can't go in higher tiers.
Originally Posted by Fat Macle
Aipom is a C. Its the definition of mediocre.
Larvesta is a B. Its good but not great.
Mangemite is a B. Great for countering steel types and isn't completely useless besides that.
Bronzor, ferro, and Munchlax falls somewhere in between B or C.
Aipom, YES, it's terible now that Team Preview disposed of the Lead concept. In the same note: Meowth to C
. Everything else I have covered before.
Originally Posted by Fat Gengan
Ducklett - Low C / High D Rank
Golett - C Rank
Litwick - C Rank
Frillish - C Rank
Ducklett... I can't really tell. Never seen one, never used one.
All of the ghost are now outclassed offensively by Missy; Golett is slow and can't use a decent Ghost-type move; Litwick is outclassed by Missy as a Ghost and Houndour as an offensive Fire-type.
But Frillish is better as a purely Defensive Ghost. I would say B
; because it can fit in teams that can't afford using Lileep (like wanting to have Ferroseed or having too much Fighting weaknesses). I can really tell that Frillish is better than just C.
Originally Posted by Fat prem
HOUNDOUR FOR B
YES, Houndour for B as it really is the best mixed attacker bar MixKrow. And its typing is really good for attaking. Fighting weakness? Yes, but Houndour is more of a pokemon to severly cripple the opponent team before a bigger sweeper can unleash its power. It can trap Missy and it doesn't fear a Burn; it can be used on Sand to counter Snover and that's saying something big if Snover is A.