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Originally Posted by Fat A dude
How is Umbreon Rank D and not C? It is one of the best Clerics/Wish supporters in the tier. And if "Taunt bait" is in your mind, both Payback and Foul Play can screw around with certain opponents (Mew for sure), and is a staple on balanced and stall teams. Seriously, Umbreon can be an annoying pokemon to counter if you have no Heracross or Cobalion.
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Please read, Umbreon is C rank so I don't know what are you talking about, lol.
And well, Umbreon really isn't a good pokemon in the current metagame, and it isn't by any means a staple on stall teams, and even less so on balanced teams, because it's worse than Snorlax most of the time, as Snorlax is bulkier, has a better typing (and ability), and most importantly, it can also hit stuff. Being able to hit things hard,and not be a huge set up bait is what makes Snorlax so good in UU and a staple on any team, be it offense, balanced or stall, Snorlax is always a great pokemon. Furthermore, Snorlax can actually stop Chandelure, something Umbreon can't even dream of.
However, the main flaw that must be outlined about Umbreon is how weak it is. Some people say this is not important, but it just means that Umbreon gives a free switch in to a lot of dangerous pokemon such as Darmanitan, Virizion, Kingdra, CB Flygon, Heracross... and the list goes on. All the pokemon I listed are very difficult to stop, and can rip holes on balanced and stall teams with ease with just one free turn, which is what Umbreon is giving them, while Snorlax (yet again), can hit all those pokemon for high damage, even without offensive investment. And Umbreon's inability at doing damage doesn't stop here, as it often loses to Raikou (a pokemon it should be checking) because it isn't able to even 3HKO it:
0 Atk Umbreon Payback (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Raikou: 96-114 (29.81 - 35.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
While Raikou (providing it CMs as Umbreon switches in and the first turn Umbreon hits him)
+2 252 SpA Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.26%) -- guaranteed 3HKO