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**Tobes** · Oct 29th, 2012, 2:59:14 PM

How many times does this need to be said? Ubers performance has dick to do with OU placement. Reshiram isn't as good as it used to be in Ubers, but so what? It's sure as hell something we shouldn't be testing, and I'd say that OU is far less hostile to it than Ubers. Kyurem-B isn't anywhere near as good as Reshiram, especially in sun. You can't compare giving a STAB to a 70 Base Power move to giving double-STAB to a 135 Base Power move. Reshiram doesn't have one stupidly powerful spammable STAB move, it has two. Reshiram easily pushes sun over the top. Dragon / Fire is one of the best offensive combos in the game, especially since TurboBlaze lets you pretty much ignore Heatran, who is typically a good answer to Fire-type-based offensive teams. Reshiram and Kyurem-B are not at all comparable.

So, to make this perfectly clear since I'm kind of sick of seeing this crop up in this thread: Stop talking about dropping other things or why we should have dropped something else before Kyurem-B. This thread is for discussion of Kyurem-B's place in the current metagame and only Kyurem-B's.

Now, to make this post more pertinent: How is everyone's experience with bulky or specially defensive Kyurem-B? I've run into it a few times and it can survive a surprising amount of shit. IIRC it tanked a +2 LO Venusaur Sludge Bomb and a Scarf Garchomp Outrage for about 65% each, certainly nothing to scoff at. I'm sure hail would be its favorite weather but it also seemed to be effective on weatherless teams.

Oct 29th, 2012, 2:59:14 PM	#345
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,274 GONER	How many times does this need to be said? Ubers performance has dick to do with OU placement. Reshiram isn't as good as it used to be in Ubers, but so what? It's sure as hell something we shouldn't be testing, and I'd say that OU is far less hostile to it than Ubers. Kyurem-B isn't anywhere near as good as Reshiram, especially in sun. You can't compare giving a STAB to a 70 Base Power move to giving double-STAB to a 135 Base Power move. Reshiram doesn't have one stupidly powerful spammable STAB move, it has two. Reshiram easily pushes sun over the top. Dragon / Fire is one of the best offensive combos in the game, especially since TurboBlaze lets you pretty much ignore Heatran, who is typically a good answer to Fire-type-based offensive teams. Reshiram and Kyurem-B are not at all comparable. So, to make this perfectly clear since I'm kind of sick of seeing this crop up in this thread: *Stop talking about dropping other things or why we should have dropped something else before Kyurem-B. This thread is for discussion of Kyurem-B's place in the current metagame and only* Kyurem-B's.** Now, to make this post more pertinent: How is everyone's experience with bulky or specially defensive Kyurem-B? I've run into it a few times and it can survive a surprising amount of shit. IIRC it tanked a +2 LO Venusaur Sludge Bomb and a Scarf Garchomp Outrage for about 65% each, certainly nothing to scoff at. I'm sure hail would be its favorite weather but it also seemed to be effective on weatherless teams. __________________ Last edited by Tobes; Oct 29th, 2012 at 3:13:40 PM.