Originally Posted by Fat malomyotismon
Even with moxie, mence is not that great. If he uses moxie he is rather frail 95/80/80 defences in this metagame are not that great and it's not that hard to ko him, unlike dragonite who will find it very easy to get up a dd if multiscale is intact and even if it's not he has still got good bulk, he can either roost or set up. The thing's mence have really got going for it is tha bility to out speed genesect and that beautiful scarf set, making it arguably the second best scarfer after genesect. Dragonite has issues as a dragon dancer because of genesect.
Yeah Gene's Ice Beam KOs and outspeeds +1 Jolly DNIte. However, +2 KO after rocks w/ Outrage, and outspeeds. I think DNite is actually really good since it beats so many teams after +2.