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Join Date: Nov 2011
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How we play against common teams
Rain Offense:
    
I lead with breloom, while they often lead with politoed, as they want to get their weather up asap. I kill politoed, and they go to tornadus. They expect to ko, but I survive thanks to my sash, and spore. I then swords dance, bullet seed, and can often get a second kill before dying. I then go to starmie on ferrothorn, and set up hail while they kill me. rock polish genesect then sweeps. If they lead with genesect, the situation is often the same, except I spore right off the bat. They break brelooms sash, so I can't go on a mini rampage, but I can go to rachi on the tornadus, and get up rocks. Then the same situation follows, resulting in a genesect sweep.
Sand Offense 1:
    
I lead with breloom, as they lead with hippowdon or rotom. I spore, and gain the immediate advantage. with hippo asleep, these teams are swept cleanly Terakion. Genesect can also gain a clean sweep by setting up on hippowdon or mamoswine.
Sand Offense 2:
    
Breloom leads off, sporing turn one. Jirachi comes in and sets rocks. Terakion sweeps this sort of team, and Genesect can put in work, as long as you eliminate spdef. fire blast ttar previously.
Sun Offense:
    
These teams are annoying, but very easy in practice. Dragonite or Terakion can set up on Xatu or a locked genesect, and rampage through these teams. Once ninetails goes down, starmie can hail, and the team becomes an easy win.
DragMag:
    
Easy victory, as Genesect can set up on an outraging dragon and sweep the opponent clean.
Heavy Offense:
    
I lead with Terakion, and swords dance turn one. If they aren't swept right off the bat, I can get in starmie and spin. One of my sweepers then comes in and cleans up. Jirachi can also sweep these teams endgame, once their steel resists are weakened.
Baton Pass:
    
Setting up alongside ninjask with either genesect or terakion can spell the end for a baton pass player.
Threat List
You might notice that we rely on Jirachi to check most offensive pokemon. With such an offensive team, we don't have the space to fit defensive checks. We avoid getting swept by setting up and sweeping first, and using the aforementionedJirachi, as well as Dragonite, to check sweepers that do manage to set up. The offensive threat list is mostly irrelevant, but is included for completion's sake. Red = Threat.
We play against defensive teams by highlighting a weakness, and choosing a sweeper to take advantage of it. After other sweepers weaken / remove the counters and tear holes into the opponent's defense, our main sweeper is sent into a pokemon that it can set up on safely, and finish the match.
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Standard OU Offensive Threats
 Tyranitar: - Choice Band - rak, rachi, loom
- Choice Scarf - same
- Dragon Dance -rachi and loom
 Rotom-W: - Choice Scarf / Specs -set up on when locked into wrong move
- Support - loom, baited + killed with slight previos dmg by gene, can't really stop anything except jirachi
 Scizor: - Choice Band - gene sets up on, rachi
- Swords Dance - rachi, gene, dnite can revenge if needed
- Bulky Swords Dance - above, easier to revenge though
Dragonite: - Choice Band - jirachi, genesect
- Dragon Dance - mainly jirachi, requires some smart switching if it comes into something without rocks down and rachi is weakened.
- Mixed - rachi + gene
- Parashuffler - reliable spinner = no hazards = this isn't a threat
- Rain Abuse - rachi + gene
 Politoed: - Choice Specs / Scarf - breloom, dnite
- 3 Attacks - same
 Heatran: - Standard - starmie shits on it, terak
- Choice Scarf / Specs- same as above
 Jirachi: - Substitute + Calm Mind / Wish + Calm Mind - dnite, changing the weather cuts the threat level
- Expert Belt - this exists? dragonite
- Choice Scarf - always a threat, as 60% scarf flinches are gay af vs offensive teams. genesect can hopefully set up, speed tie with my rachi, or set up with tera + take a chunk out.
 Latios: - Life Orb / Expert Belt - jirachi, loom baits + kills v often
- Choice Scarf / Specs - same, set up bait after kill
- Calm Mind -jirachi
 Reuniclus: - Calm Mind - jirachi, dragonite
- Offensive Trick Room - can be slightly annoying, but jirachi and dnite are still good checks. doesn't really have anywhere to set up.
 Haxorus: - Choice Scarf / Choice Band - jirachi, set up bait for gene
- Dragon Dance - jirachi, gene
- Double Dance - same
 Ninetales: - Nasty Plot - not relevant, terak / dnite
- Choice Specs - same
- Special Attacker - set up bait for terak, starmie can change weather once they sack ninetails, dragonite can set up.
 Conkeldurr: - Bulk Up - starmie, as most don't run payback anymore. genesect can also tear a big chunk off with flamethrower if it gets weakened.
- Flame Orb + 3 Attacks - less dangerous, as the residual damage makes revenging it easier.
 Celebi: - Nasty Plot Sweeper - gene sets up if hp ice, dragonite if fire, jirachi
- Tinkerbell - gotta watch out for twave, but gene / dnite / rachi
- Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - easy set up bait
 Terrakion: - Double Dance - gotta keep loom alive for rock polish versions
- Choice Scarf / Choice Band - can revenge dnite at +2, but allows me to set up on moves
- Substitute + Swords Dance / Salac Berry - rachi, loom
- a note for all tera - they are eager to switch in on genesect, and are ohko'd by +1 giga drain.
Gyarados: - Offensive / Bulky Dragon Dance - can set up on jirachi, and can be an issue, as jirachi itself can't revenge. dragonite can still beat it, however.
- Choice Scarf - too slow to revenge set up sweepers, might get a suprise kill but then will be easy to take advantage of
 Gengar: - Substitute + Disable / Pain Split - usually found spinblocking on deo-gar teams, beaten by starmie. set up on dnite, jirachi beats it.
 Starmie: - Life Orb - i usually end up flinching to death with rachi, as it prevents my sweepers from setting up on it. rachi isn't ohko'd by any moves, and does around ~30%, making this easier than it sounds.
- Rapid Spin - set up bait
- Choice Specs - same
Landorus: - Rock Polish / Swords Dance - dragonite, breloom
- Choice Scarf - revenges something, set up on by something else
- Substitute + 3 Attacks - breloom, dragonite
- Special Attacker - special rock polish is an issue. this was probably the biggest threat to the team when we had volcorona -> dragonite, but dragonite can check it now.
 Infernape: - Mixed Attacker - starmie, dnite
- Nasty Plot / Swords Dance Booster - same
- Choice Band - same
 Volcarona: - Offensive Quiver Dance -tera / dnite, depending on coverage
- Bulky Quiver Dance / Roost -tera / dnite
- Chesto Rest -tera / dnite
- Substitute -tera / dnite
 Magnezone: - Substitute - can be an issue if paired with something that we rely on jirachi to check. usually requires a sac + something to revenge it.
- Choice Scarf / Specs - less of an issue, can only kill jirachi.
 Espeon: - Calm Mind - jirachi, dnite
- Bulky Sun Attacker / Passer - jirachi, dnite
 Salamence: - Dragon Dance - jirachi relies on a speed tie to revenge. has a lot of trouble setting up, and usually the pokemon in can do enough damage to revenge with nite extremespeed.
- Mixed - jirachi
- Defensive - doesn't wall anything save for breloom, easy to switch into
- Choice Scarf / Band - scarf is the same as the dragon dance set, except i can set up on its outrages. used to be a big issue with volc, as we had no ground immunities, but isn't hard to handle now
 Hydreigon: - Offensive - jirachi, terak set up on draco
- Choice Specs / Scarf - same
- Substitute - can be dangerous, but has a hard time getting a sub up. requires a sac if it runs sub / fire blast / focus blast / dpulse.
- Mixed Attacker - jirachi
 Breloom: - Bulk Up - dnite
- Sub Seed - dnite
- Sub Punch - dnite
- Sword Dance - dnite, starmie can revenge if dnite goes down
- Choice Band - dnite
 Latias: - Calm Mind - jirachi
- Offensive Tank - jirachi, set up bait after draco meteor
- Choice Specs / Scarf - very easy to set up on
 Toxicroak: - Swords Dance - play mindgames with starmie, remove weather / psychic. genesect can revenge
- Bulk Up - dragonite shits on this, in addition to the same checks as the offensive set
 Lucario: - Swords Dance - jirachi is a great check, genesect, dragonite, it can't set up
- Nasty Plot - same
 Virizion: - Calm Mind - jirachi beats this easily
- Swords Dance - starmie, jirachi, dragonite
 Scrafty: - Dragon Dance - jirachi, breloom
- Bulk Up - breloom, terakion, dragonite
 Venusaur: - Special Growth - change weather, dnite checks in sun
- Mixed Growth - usually run hp ice, gene checks
- SubSeed - starmie abuses this set, dragonite
 Metagross: - Stealth Rock - genesect sets up on
- Choice Scarf / Band - same
- Agility - same, gene can tank LO earthquake
 Mienshao: - All-Out Attacker - starmie, breloom, dragonite
- Choice Scarf / Band - same
 Cloyster: - Shell Smash - jirachi, breloom
- Utility - pretty much everything haha
 Mamoswine: - Physical Attacker - genesect, jirachi
- Focus Sash + Endeavor - usually a lead, so breloom. starmie can beat it and spin its rocks.
 Darmanitan: - Choice Scarf / Band - dragonite, terakion
 Tornadus: - Rain Abuser - jirachi
- Choice Specs - jirachi
 Abomasnow: - Choice Scarf - set up bait, jirachi
- SubSeed - jirachi, gene
- Mixed Attacker - jirachi mainly
 Alakazam: - Substitute + 3 Attacks - rachi
- Offensive Calm Mind - rachi
- Focus Sash - rachi
 Azelf: - Dual Screens - rachi
- Lead - rachi, starmie spins rocks
- Nasty Plot - rachi
- Choice Band - rachi, set up on easily
 Azumarill: - Choice Band - one of the only things that can revenge both of our main sweepers. dragonite sets up on it, starmie can switch in and remove weather
 Deoxys-D: - Fast Spiker - set up on with terak, come in and spin later with starmie
 Dugtrio: - Focus Sash - can only trap tera, revenge with anything
- Choice Band - same, but set up bait for dnite
 Empoleon: - Agility - loom
- Choice Specs - dragonite on the water moves, doesn't get chances to switch in
 Gorebyss: - SmashPass - doesn't get a chance to smash, i can hit the poke switching in
- Shell Smash Sweeper - doesn't get a chance to set up, jirachi outspeeds after a smash
 Kingdra: - Dragon Dance - can't set up, is set up bait once locked into outrage. jirachi can revenge
- Rain Dance - can be an issue. requires smart switching to get into a draco meteor, but the issue passes once it has -2 spatk.
- Choice Specs - set up bait
 Kyurem: - Choice - rachi, set up bait
- Substitute + 3 Attacks - rachi, terak
- Substitute + Roost - rachi, terak
 Victini: - Choice Band / Scarf - hits everything hard, but is set up bait afterwards.
- Physical Attacker - same
 Stoutland: - Choice Band / Life Orb - loom, rachi, genesect, terak
 Smeargle: - Baton Pass - hit it, then ko with priority
 Sharpedo: - Speed Boost - priority, dragonite
 Rotom-C: - Choice Scarf / Specs - dnite, genesect, set up bait
- Support - genesect, dragonite
 Garchomp: - Sword Dance - rachi can revenge, terak + priority
- Choice Scarf -set up bait
 Tornadus-T: - Standard - rachi
- Choice Specs - rachi
 Landorus-T: - Standard - can put some pressure on physical sweepers, big gene bait though
- Choice Scarf - same
 Thundurus-T: - Nasty Plot - jirachi
- Agility - can't set up, revenged by dnite
- Choice Scarf - can only revenge dragonite while using hp ice, then becomes gene set up bait
 Keldeo: - Substitute + Calm Mind - starmie, dragonite
- Choice Scarf / Specs - starmie, dragonite
Gensect: - Choice Scarf / Band - set up bait, terak, gene
- Rock Polish - terakion, can revenge if at perfect health. rock polish set setting up on jirachi can be an issue.
- Expert Belt - terak, rachi
 Gothitelle: - Calm Mind - rachi, gene
- Choice Scarf / Specs -rachi, gene
 Meloetta: - Relic Song Mixed Attacker - loom, dnite, rachi
- Calm Mind + 3 Attacks / Substitute -loom, dnite, rachi
Standard OU Defensive Threats
 Tyranitar: - Specially Defensive - terakion, breloom
 Ferrothorn: - Standard - breloom, genesect, dragonite
 Politoed: - Defensive - loom destroys, prime rp bait for gene, dragonite
 Gliscor: - Swords Dance - rachi can revenge, starmie
- Substitute + Protect - starmie, genesect
- AcroBat - never seen after ss + sv ban, revenge with starmie / rachi
- Defensive - big set up bait for genesect
 Heatran: - Specially Defensive - terakion, starmie
 Jirachi: - Specially Defensive - fuck rachi. dragonite sets up on it though.
 Skarmory: - Physically Defensive Spiker - genesect set up bait, starmie
- Specially Defensive Spiker - can't check anything, above threats
 Ninetales: - Specially Defensive - change its weather after it dies, set up with tera.
 Celebi: - Physically Defensive - gene set up bait, jirachi, dragonite
 Forretress: - Physically Defensive Spiker - massive set up bait
- Specially Defensive Spiker - same
 Gyarados: - RestTalk - starmie walls it, doesn't check any of my main sweepers too well.
 Jellicent: - Utility Counter - breloom, dragonite, genesect
 Tentacruel: - Toxic Spikes - starmie
- Substitute + Toxic - checks both sweepers somewhat. starmie can come in, change weather, and ko.
 Gastrodon: - Tank - loom, dnite, genesect.
 Espeon: - Dual Screens - rachi
- Baton Pass - rachi
 Blissey: - Support - terak, breloom, dnite somewhat
 Vaporeon: - Wish Support -gene, breloom
- Rest Hydration - gene, breloom
 Latias: - Support - jirachi, genesect
 Bronzong: - Tank - gene set up bait, starmie
- Dual Screens - same
 Swampert:  Mew: - Stallbreaker - dnite, rachi
- Baton Pass - dnite, rachi
- Sword Dance / Nasty Plot - dnite, rachi
 Slowbro:  Quagsire: - Curse - gene, loom
- Specially Defensive - gene, loom
- Physically Defensive - gene, loom
 Cresselia: - Support - hard to kill, can't do anything, and starmie will neuter its recovery.
- Dual Screens - same
 Empoleon: - Specially Defensive - loom, terak
 Hippowdon: - Physical Tank - loom, gene set up bait, starmie
 Xatu: - Standard - set up bait, often can't prevent rachi from getting rocks down.
- Dual Screens - same
 Wobbuffet: - Bulky - weaken it with one sweeper, kill with another
 Whimsicott: - Prankster - try not to set up, but it can't wall anything
 Tangrowth: - Physically Defensive - genesect
 Sableye: - Prankster - genesect, starmie, dnite
 Porygon2: - Defensive - terak, breloom
 Chansey: - Support - tera, loom, rachi
 -Rotom-H: - Support - terak, starmie, dnite
- Choice Scarf - rak, dnite
 Amoonguss: - Standard - genesect, dragonite
Last edited by GaryTheGengar; Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:44:00 PM.
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