Originally Posted by Fat Alice in Strings
Krook has Moxie, which may as well function as SD, and Dark is an excellent typing to play with. You brought him up as well.
That was Raikaria, and looking at his post, I actually disagree that a Pokemon should be lower if they're outclassed by a Pokemon of the same type. Pokemon should be judged on their own merits, and considered to already be part of the team when arguing for/against them.
I only compare Pokemon of the same type if they're in the same tier (like Trapinch vs. Sandslash). Same-types are simpler to compare.
Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam
what are you babbling about
Steel is only resisted by 4 types (Electric, Fire, Water, Steel), three of which are also hit super-effectively by ground. The only one that isn't is Water, but why are you keeping Steelix/Excadrill in on Water-types is beyond me.
There are not plenty of things that resist iron head, it's a reliable STAB for Steelix along with Bulldoze or Dig.
while Excadrill does get SD by level up, along with Sandslash, it doesn't automatically make sandslash bad. Sandslash's speed issues are temporarily taken care of midgame by Bulldoze, acceptable filler until EQ.
As for SD Sandslash, imo Sandslash's biggest problem is his speed, compared to Quiver Dance and Coil, where Lilligant and Serperior are fast enough for ingame purposes, not to mention the former boosting speed as well. Sandshrew's early evolution makes it one of the best Pokemon against Elesa, being able to tank her physical attacks with his good defense while being completely immune specially. This essentially allows it to function as a nuke midgame, until your other guys catch up (especially Excadrill).
Agree on Sandshrew's speed. IMO, that keeps it from high.