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Originally Posted by Fat Doron
Absol is very frail and 75 base speed isn't impressive at all, not even by NU standards. It gets outsped by Cinccino, Zangoose, Braviary, Gardevoir, Rotom-A... Watchog.
It's most reliable STAB has a rather pitiful 70 BP. Relicanth hits harder than that (fuck yeah, Relicanth). I agree that CB Sucker Punch is a real gem for picking apart offensive teams that don't carry substitute or a fighting type, but I've used Absol before and I've never had it pull its weight.
I feel that Miltank is superior to Lickilicky because of its abilities (Thick Fat, Scrappy and Sap-Sipper are all fantastic, Own Tempo, Cloud Nine and Oblivious aren't as useful). It also has reliable recovery that doesn't eat up two moveslots and a fantastic base 100 speed. 100 speed outruns Zangoose, Braviary, Gardevoir, Rotom-A, Absol... Watchog.
It's been a few weeks since I've laddered so Sap-Sipper Miltank may be less useful now than it used to be if Amoonguss usage has decreased. If Ludicolo usage has increased as I've been led to believe it has then I suppose that Cloud Nine may give Lickilicky a more important niche, but it still lacks Miltank's ability to pick off wounded offensive pokemon with a STAB Body Slam or Return without taking damage beforehand.
Lairon can hit fairly hard with Head Smash and Probopass is pretty bulky and has some nice movepool options, it's true. Perhaps I spoke too soon, I'm just used to having a mindset where anything with a Rock / Steel typing being garbage (including Aggron in RU). Klang would be a much more impressive option if it had better coverage.
tl;dr Absol needs a better STAB and is slow, Miltank is faster than Lickilicky and has abilities that I've found to be more useful, I spoke too soon about the steel types.
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Believe me I have used a lot of Miltank and it is one of my favorite Pokemon.
The reason Lickilicky is higher than Miltank is because it is better at a support/utility role than Miltank is, and Miltank's offensive sets are pretty much outclassed, by a lot of pokemon.
Here is what both Miltank and Lickilicky have and I hope to prove to you that they are in the right spots.
Miltank (support/utility):
95/105/70 bulk
Option of running a combo of Stealth Rock, Heal Bell, Milk Drink/Wish, Thunder Wave/Toxic, Seismic Toss/Body Slam
Thick Fat
Base 100 speed
Lickilicky:
110/95/95 Bulk
Can run everything Miltank can except stealth rocks (In a tier where use of Bastio/Probo/Lairon/Regirock is mandatory, this isn't that much of a problem)
Can pass larger wishes
Cloud Nine (Arguably more useful thank thick fat in the tier with the likes of Ludicolo running around)
Can't be set up on if it has dragon tail
Now here you might be thinking "BUT MILTANK CAN RUN SAP SIPPER SET WHICH IS STRONG!!!"
Offensive Miltank is an ok set. 80 base attack which is somewhat lack luster and it's excellent 100 base speed.
On paper this may seem like a good idea, but the sap sipper thing works once, and its not like anything with a scarf is either going to rip though miltank or force it out, meaning it pretty much has one chance (against a smart player) to utilize its attack boost, before being forced out. Even so, if you do get a chance to make more use of the boost, it is still underpowered and just isn't as strong as the likes of Emboar or Sawk who would probably have no boosts.
Miltank is also completely walled by ghost types such as haunter or misdreavus, unless she forsakes the possibility of a boost and uses scrappy. If you opt to use punishment haunter can sub disable yo ass and you can still only 3hko missy (if you have the boost, without its a 4hko) and she can just will-o-wisp you.
Pretty much, Miltank is outclassed in an offensive role by basically every physical threat in S and A tier, and just isn't as good a support as Lickilicky, Gardevoir or Alomomola and she just doesn't belong with them and in my opinion fits in quite well in the B tier.