@blar: I should have clarified strongest
viable priority. :P Eevee technically shouldn't exist. And it needs CB to outdamage Flareon with only Quick Attack. I suppose the point was that Eevee needs CB to outdamage Flareon with one move (Return does less than Flareon's kit) and that it should only be used to troll.
@Zacc: I think rotation battles are very interesting as it makes the whole thing less about 1 on 1 matchups and think more along the lines that all of the opponent's team is literally on the field at the same time. Combined with the fact that it is restricted to the Eeveelutions rather than going all the way with general GBU rules and the usual staples taking over makes it more fun imo.
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Originally Posted by Fat Sidfrid
Survive what (in the physical side)?,
Umbreon's payback:
0 Atk Umbreon Payback (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Flareon: 127-151 (38.02 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Leafeon Return?
252 Atk Leafeon Return vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Flareon: 167-197 (50 - 58.98%) -- 78.52% chance to 2HKO
Leafeon have a good chance at killing it since Flareon can't switch in. But you have to remember that this is not called "Flareon against the world", you have 2 others pokemon at the time on flareon side's. You can swicth (or rotate) in you own Umbreon to take the hit and toxic opponent leafeon. (i made the calc's again using Honko manly calc, do you activated gust in you calc's?)
On other note, we identified three possible threat:
Dual Screens Espeon
SD Leafeon, and
Hail/Snow Cloak Glaceon
My question is, do they share any counter? or we have to prepare for two and being completely sweeped by the third one we din't prepare for?
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Is that -Def? First of all, Umbreon stands no chance against Flareon whatsoever. It is OHKO'd by Superpower unless it goes 252/252 Impish which is a bad idea, 2HKO'd most of the time by Facade counting Leftovers (it faces competition from Vappy for Lefties with item clause), and fears the nasty side effects from Fire Fang. I recognize that Flareon can't switch into Leafeon, but Leafeon can't switch into it either. If sun isn't up you can have Espeon or Jolteon threaten the revenge kill. I do recognize that you have two other Pokemon; that's why you set up Reflect in addition to having all of those HP EVs so you don't get taken down so easily by Leafeon or whoever else stands in your way and you wait for a good opportunity to send it in and wreak havoc. The main purpose of posting those calcs was to prove that Flareon is a beast and should not at all be underestimated. It's not Flareon vs. the world, yes, but it has a good chance at taking down everything else and I was pointing it out. Personally I like it when a normally trash Pokemon has a chance to shine.
And I used the onsite Smogon calculator. I'm not sure why you think I didn't have Guts on since it's doing so much. ?_? Did you also factor in the fact that Facade has 140 power after the status boost?
EDIT;; Magic Bounce screens Espeon is very hard to beat and I would expect it to be a standard lead; the best solution is perhaps an opposing Trick choiced Espeon. I don't know if you can switch Choiced moves when you rotate out or you're stuck for the rest of the battle, though. Manual Hail Glaceon hits like a truck against unprepared teams but it loses the benefit of a Choice item and it's pretty slow. SD Leafeon is a great threat but prone to revenge kills by Bug-wielding Espeon and Jolteon, which is rectified by Chlorophyll in the sun. CB Leafeon in the sun is viable also, though contingent on how Choice works in rotation battles. I should test that out lol