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**Pocket** · Nov 17th, 2012, 3:03:57 AM

OK, so I talked with shrang and yee, and we more or less agreed that Donphan does not need 2 sets. Please merge the 2 sets as follows:

name: Rapid Spin
move 1: Rapid Spin
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stealth Rock / Head Smash
move 4: Ice Shard
item: Leftovers
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

~ It needs Adamant to do any significant damage with its otherwise weak coverage move in Ice Shard
~ AC mentions:

192 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Def, which allows Donphan to survive a +2 Close Combat (after SR) from Terrakion more than average.
Fire Fang for Ferrothorn & Forretress who tries to use Donphan as Spikes bait. Also effective against Breloom and Scizor.
Stone Edge for a solid coverage move without HSmash's nasty recoil.
Assurance for hitting Gengar & Jellicent hardest if SR is up
128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe @ LUM BERRY to outrun standard Jellicent and 2HKO specially-defensive variants. SR damage + boosted Assurance + EQ 2HKOs Jellicent. Assurance (with Rocks) or Head Smash OHKOs Gengar. Lum is nice to prevent Sableye and Jellicent from burning Donphan, allowing Donphan to 2HKO Sableye.
252 HP / 56 Atk / 200 Def & IMPISH Nature for a more defensive spread. Survives +2 Close Combat from Terrakion always and +2 LO CC from Lucario on more than average (after SR). 56 Atk just enough to 2HKO Landorus & Salamence with Ice Shard.
Odor Sleuth for guaranteed spin even against ghosts.

~ Other Options:

Remove Rock Polish lol
Add Toxic & Knock Off for their utility
Counter is great on Donphan!
Body Slam for paralysis

~ Checks & Counters:

Skarmory can chip away at Donphan's health and set up Spikes
Same story for Hippodown
Bronzong too if Donphan lacks Fire Fang
Deoxys-D with Night Shade or even better Psycho Boost can make short work of Donphan
Ferrothorn doesn't enjoy tanking powerful EQs but usually a safe switch-in and wins with Power Whip
Physically defensive Jellicent can tank an EQ and burn Donphan; same for Sableye
Gengar fears nothing from Donphan without a coverage move stronger than Ice Shard
Gyarados and Cloyster can set up on Donphan without Head Smash or Stone Edge to threaten it
Celebi, Tangrowth, Virizion, Breloom (LO Bullet Seed 3HKOs max HP Donphan)
Bulky Toed, Physically defensive Gastrodon, Slowbro, Keldeo, Rotom-W
Offensive Pivot Landorus-T and Gliscor
Max HP Latias
Latios / Latias / Hydreigon / Kyurem(-B) can switch in if it doesn't switch into Stone Edge / Assurance. Special mention for Kyurem-B for ignoring Sturdy with Terravolt
Air Balloon Heatran checks Donphan if either Sturdy is broken or Air Balloon is intact.
Abomasnow as long as it doesn't switch into super-effective moves; negates leftovers recovery, making Sturdy harder to keep intact
Any powerful special assault once sturdy is broken

Nov 17th, 2012, 3:03:57 AM	#18
Pocket Talonflame :D Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,300 Bergenfield	OK, so I talked with shrang and yee, and we more or less agreed that Donphan does not need 2 sets. Please merge the 2 sets as follows: name: Rapid Spin move 1: Rapid Spin move 2: Earthquake move 3: Stealth Rock / Head Smash move 4: Ice Shard item: Leftovers nature: Adamant evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe ~ It needs Adamant to do any significant damage with its otherwise weak coverage move in Ice Shard ~ AC mentions: 192 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Def, which allows Donphan to survive a +2 Close Combat (after SR) from Terrakion more than average. Fire Fang for Ferrothorn & Forretress who tries to use Donphan as Spikes bait. Also effective against Breloom and Scizor. Stone Edge for a solid coverage move without HSmash's nasty recoil. Assurance for hitting Gengar & Jellicent hardest if SR is up 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe @ LUM BERRY to outrun standard Jellicent and 2HKO specially-defensive variants. SR damage + boosted Assurance + EQ 2HKOs Jellicent. Assurance (with Rocks) or Head Smash OHKOs Gengar. Lum is nice to prevent Sableye and Jellicent from burning Donphan, allowing Donphan to 2HKO Sableye. 252 HP / 56 Atk / 200 Def & IMPISH Nature for a more defensive spread. Survives +2 Close Combat from Terrakion always and +2 LO CC from Lucario on more than average (after SR). 56 Atk just enough to 2HKO Landorus & Salamence with Ice Shard. Odor Sleuth for guaranteed spin even against ghosts. ~ Other Options: Remove Rock Polish lol Add Toxic & Knock Off for their utility Counter is great on Donphan! Body Slam for paralysis ~ Checks & Counters: Skarmory can chip away at Donphan's health and set up Spikes Same story for Hippodown Bronzong too if Donphan lacks Fire Fang Deoxys-D with Night Shade or even better Psycho Boost can make short work of Donphan Ferrothorn doesn't enjoy tanking powerful EQs but usually a safe switch-in and wins with Power Whip Physically defensive Jellicent can tank an EQ and burn Donphan; same for Sableye Gengar fears nothing from Donphan without a coverage move stronger than Ice Shard Gyarados and Cloyster can set up on Donphan without Head Smash or Stone Edge to threaten it Celebi, Tangrowth, Virizion, Breloom (LO Bullet Seed 3HKOs max HP Donphan) Bulky Toed, Physically defensive Gastrodon, Slowbro, Keldeo, Rotom-W Offensive Pivot Landorus-T and Gliscor Max HP Latias Latios / Latias / Hydreigon / Kyurem(-B) can switch in if it doesn't switch into Stone Edge / Assurance. Special mention for Kyurem-B for ignoring Sturdy with Terravolt Air Balloon Heatran checks Donphan if either Sturdy is broken or Air Balloon is intact. Abomasnow as long as it doesn't switch into super-effective moves; negates leftovers recovery, making Sturdy harder to keep intact Any powerful special assault once sturdy is broken __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!