I run self-sufficient Rain sweepers since the need for another coverage move / boosting move seemed unnecessary, so I guess I was referring to sweepers :P As for the case of Sceptile, getting up a Sub is a pain, but any other set still gets appropriately neutered.
I like the use of the word wonky, that's basically what it is really :P Basically I decided on the EV spread a while ago for basically all my Smeargle. The end result of it is basically some slight amount of Special Defense for a little Defense. While it's definitely situational, this allows it to live 5 Rock Blast hits from uninvested Crustle, while still taking a Psychic+U-Turn form 252 SpA Timid Uxie bar 2 high damage rolls. It's rather situational, but most times that Smeargle takes more than one hit without going to down to Sash can be considered situational lol.
MANtine's biggest thing it has going for it is Flying STAB, a Grass neutrality, and really nice natural Special bulk, so it's definitely niche, but it's not "outclassed" per say :P
Also thanks, I'll see if I can't jump up some spots on the ladder :]
Tehy: like i get the feeling you're pro or something
Tehy: on this ladder
Tehy: it's so fucking hard to tell