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Originally Posted by Fat Shadowmence
Yeah, sucks that this thread went off topic but I was trying to prove point to that other guy that setup sweepers can't really be "spammed" or relied on, especially when it comes to countering weather. Any weather team worth its salt has 2 solid setup sweeper checks while the the other 3 Pokemon that aren't the weather starter freeload off the weather condition and rape everything.
You really don't have much freedom in this metagame TBH. You either use Rain, sun, or Sand, or use Non-Weather and limit your team choices to about 8 Pokemon.
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I still use a dual screen/set up sweeper team and it works just fine against both weather and non weather.
DD Dragonite, DD Taunt Haxorus, SD Scizor, Dual Screen Cresselia, Dual Screen Espeon, and Sunny Day Heatran has brought me alot of success. Their roles are, for the most part, self explanatory. Each sweeper takes on slightly different threats and removes those threats so another can come in and finish the sweep if necessary. Espeon and Cresselia form an amazing screen core despite sharing the same typing, and Heatran serves as my defensive pivot and counter to Sand and Rain (sun teams are usually less of an issue as they don't carry as many steels as Rain or Sand teams do, and really the only threat is Venusaur, which is usually conserved, and will end up getting outsped and killed to +2 Haxorus.
Dual Screens turn alot (and I really mean ALOT) of potential set up sweeper checks into fodder as they will fail to KO or deal insignificant damage allowing me to boost to the appropriate level.
I don't disagree that there isn't alot of freedom in terms of the metagame being very centralized, but that doesn't mean non conventional teams are not good or successful, especially in regards to the set up sweeper type teams as you were describing (provided they have dual screen support)