Originally Posted by Fat Machi
How exactly is Meloetta going to be effortlessly boosting on Mew when Psyshock actually hits it on its lower defense should the two end up in a boosting war (who BTW is not exactly finding a niche as a so called counter to Mew)? How is Sableye relevant of a threat to Ghost/Fighting coverage when Sableye's are often, and for good reason, physically defensive (even if it were specially defensive its still a solid 2 OHKO) so how is it exactly a hindrance to a special sweeper based Mew? The type coverages you mention are actually quite good and basically carry the relevant Steel/Dark coverage that would hinder Mew from its sweeps, and thanks to the metagame saturated with fighting types especially dominated by Heracross Steel/Dark is not exactly having such a field day and we are seeing a surge of poison types (namely Nidoqueen/Qwilfish/Crobat which check a lot of relevant threats) to check or counter said fighting types (which in turn is quite favorable to psychic coverage). I'm honestly confused with the accusation that Psychic is quite shitty in UU when I agree with Koko that it does have relevance in threatening fighting types but I add that it is just as relevant in that it threatens the poison types that are quickly becoming just as relevant as a defensive measure with the metagame. Hint more often than not we carry two Heracross checks is food for thought.
This statement is just plain wrong... Why on earth would you attempt to hit Cofagrigus who tends to be defensive on the physical side with Psyshock which would hit on its stronger defense when you most Mew would carry Shadow Ball which not only hits SE but on the weaker defense of Cofagrigus (or if not Shadow Ball a choice from one of the special moves in Mew's arsenal). And BTW have you played Cofa? I wouldn't exactly switch Cofa into a special attacker because I'd much rather he switch into a physical attacker so as to utilize mummy or use them as set up fodder given that there is a good shot they won't be hurting it much. Or hell Sableye on a special attacker!? Your scenarios just aren't very likely plays by a decent player, I'm not talking about good players but just decent, because these are quite obvious calls that you really shouldn't be doing naturally if you have a grasp of stats and coverage. At best I see these plays as being a really last ditch effort but in that case its no longer a case of Mew being broken as you simply being outplayed.
CM Meloetta beats Mew because Shadow Ball - SE coverage will almost always beat NVE STAB when it comes to damage. Assuming that both have boosted once, Mew has a 68% chance of being 1hko'd by Shadow Ball while only netting a 2hko with Psyshock in return. While it outspeeds, congrats, you've now ended up with a 6-7% hp Mew, or dead first turn if it's running LO in place of Lefties (again, that causes large bulk issues). In fact, Lefties only has a 0.39% chance to 2hko AFTER SR. At this point anything is capable of revenging it. In fact, if they end up in a boosting war then Mew needs +6 to 1hko with LO... and still no chance with Lefties on both sides. Feeling lucky enough that the opponent won't mash you while you do so, then wreck the rest of your team?
I see, then, we're not running Recover/Softboiled. Are we going to be assuming resist berries/LO for these calcs, or should I just go ahead and assume Lefties?
I carry 1 Heracross check intentionally. More often than not dedicating more than one Pokemon to check a given Pokemon is diverting too many resources (2 out of 6, cmon, gimme a break!) and if that Pokemon deserves it, well, do we need to say much more about metagame centralization? Mew, if nothing else, doesn't make me defecate in my lower garments when I have a somewhat weakened team.
I was ASSUMING 2 attacking moves, with Psyshock as STAB (since you're consistently talking about it over Psychic). If you're going to pack Shadow Ball, on the other hand, forget it. You still can't 1HKO without Leftovers and SR, anyway.
I actually never run Cofag because speed is so important for the core members of my team, so I mainly just whack it hard in the nuts and watch it go down to Darmanitan or something. Kind of like Mew, at least from what I've seen on the ladder. It's still important enough that I've planned counters and tactics for how to use it and stuff.