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Onicon · Dec 7th, 2012, 7:30:39 AM

Two questions:

We (he and I) are currently trying to determine how much speed is appropiate for SD-Breloom (Adamant LO).
Cloyster has the same base speed as Breloom. To tie with the average Shell Smasher and KO it with Bullet Seed through Focus Sash you have to run max speed. No need when you can keep up SR, though.
Timid Gothitelle can be checked with enough speed. Unfortunately it needs to be Jolly/216 in order to do it but at least they are not common enough to emphasize the need.
Offensive Politoed will be OHKOed by +2 Mach Punch and SR. Defensive Politoed is slower, so this one won't be an issue.
Magnezone will always be OHKOed after +2 Mach Punch.
Offensive SD-Scizor will be OHKOed by Mach Punch, but has a priority move itself. So that may be a good start. To outpace the Adamant ones Breloom needs 216 speed.
The next step down would be 0 speed Gyarados. Just look at the stats: Less than 5% of all Gyarados' have no speed. Even 0/0/0/0/0/0 is more commen than 252/252/0/0/4/0 (just kidding). Trying to outspeed this one is probably a moot point, but in order to outspeed that thing we need 92 speed.
I haven't seen a lot of Vaporeons these days and if they appear, then usually in Baton Pass teams. You don't need speed to outspeed the slowest Vaporeon, but some of them appear to creep over defensive Cloyster, a rarity itself, for which we only need 8 speed. The Baton Pass version usually have enough to outspeed Jolteon after +2 speed, in which case it you shouldn't even try. Otherwise, look at Gyarados with 0 speed.

Our conclusion for SD-Breloom: 216 speed for SD-Scizor, 92 speed faster Vaporeon and slow Gyaradoses, the rest is speed creep.
Does that mean that SD-Breloom needs no speed or that SD-Breloom is generally weak?

Second question, which does not have something to do with the game itself:
People keep telling me that it is common to leave a "GG" remark after a match. How do I do it when the game just happened to be bad? I always get the feeling that GG can come across as borderline mocking when I throw it in after a bad one.

Dec 7th, 2012, 7:30:39 AM	#387
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	Two questions: We (he and I) are currently trying to determine how much speed is appropiate for SD-Breloom (Adamant LO). Cloyster has the same base speed as Breloom. To tie with the average Shell Smasher and KO it with Bullet Seed through Focus Sash you have to run max speed. No need when you can keep up SR, though. Timid Gothitelle can be checked with enough speed. Unfortunately it needs to be Jolly/216 in order to do it but at least they are not common enough to emphasize the need. Offensive Politoed will be OHKOed by +2 Mach Punch and SR. Defensive Politoed is slower, so this one won't be an issue. Magnezone will always be OHKOed after +2 Mach Punch. Offensive SD-Scizor will be OHKOed by Mach Punch, but has a priority move itself. So that may be a good start. To outpace the Adamant ones Breloom needs 216 speed. The next step down would be 0 speed Gyarados. Just look at the stats: Less than 5% of all Gyarados' have no speed. Even 0/0/0/0/0/0 is more commen than 252/252/0/0/4/0 (just kidding). Trying to outspeed this one is probably a moot point, but in order to outspeed that thing we need 92 speed. I haven't seen a lot of Vaporeons these days and if they appear, then usually in Baton Pass teams. You don't need speed to outspeed the slowest Vaporeon, but some of them appear to creep over defensive Cloyster, a rarity itself, for which we only need 8 speed. The Baton Pass version usually have enough to outspeed Jolteon after +2 speed, in which case it you shouldn't even try. Otherwise, look at Gyarados with 0 speed. Our conclusion for SD-Breloom: 216 speed for SD-Scizor, 92 speed faster Vaporeon and slow Gyaradoses, the rest is speed creep. Does that mean that SD-Breloom needs no speed or that SD-Breloom is generally weak? Second question, which does not have something to do with the game itself: People keep telling me that it is common to leave a "GG" remark after a match. How do I do it when the game just happened to be bad? I always get the feeling that GG can come across as borderline mocking when I throw it in after a bad one.