Originally Posted by Fat Zaon
I aggree, defensive boosting is better than evasion boosting because it is more reliable. However, evasion moves are uncompetitive because it causes games to be decided on luck, miss a move like Hydro Pump is possible because it hasn't got a perfect accuracy but miss moves with maximum accuracy and then being swept is uncompetitive
Hmm..... OK. Seriously, how do evasion boosting moves help you sweep? You need an offense boosting move to take down walls like Lugia. OK. You use an evasion move and a boosting move. Example moveset: Boosting Move/Evasion Move/Attack/Coverage or Recovery or Substitute.
Ok...Now the two of you should provide me with actual examples with what can run such a moveset. It seems you are just throwing the concepts of evasion around without any evidence.
@DarkFallenAngel: If you dont have enough experience in ubers pleae dont bring up bad points. Calm Mind Manaphy vs Palkia using thunder. Please tell me more about how evasion would help here. Critical chance is 6.25%. Evasion moves dont boost you evasion by 93.75%. Hence I would not say that "Evasion is as consistent." Thunder has perfect accuracy in rain. With Calm Mind, Manaphy can 2hko Palkia after 2-3 boosts.
You need to realize that when you are using Evasion boosting moves, you are giving up a moveslot. Let's see what can afford to give up a moveslot in ubers: Reshiram, Zekrom; end of list. Well that is it really. Zekrom's moveset, judging from what you are implying or rather what is affordable, is: Double Team/Hone Claws/Dragon Claw/Roost or Substitute or Bolt Strike. Outrage isn't viable as the locking effect and chance to hit with confusion after boosted attack is a major hindrance and you destroy the purpose of this set. We have the set ready, now let us ask ourselves: What does it do? How much better is it than other sets? Groudon will switch in on you while you boost with Double Team and then threaten to Earthquake. Now what do you do? Do you stay in and sub? What if it is faster? What if it is the Offensive Stealth Rock Groudon? Do you expect to be faster? Would you really want to take a chance? Wouldnt it be better if Zekrom was the scarf set in this situation so that it could 2HKO Groudon?
If Zekrom lacks substitute and uses Bolt Strike instead, Ferrothorn can deal with it. Using Roost? Lugia can deal with it. Here is another problem if you are not using substitute: You haxed your way through a defensive Pokemon. The opponent sends out Mewtwo. Ice Beam hits and all your effort are wasted as you realize that you gave the defensive pokemon time to set up hazards or rapid spin.
This is assuming that you get many free turns. In a real battle this will not happen.
I would like some real examples or replays if you want to reply and disprove me.
Trivia: Phazing moves are extremely common in ubers: Groudon, Kyogre, Lugia, Giratina, Dialga, Palkia, Latias, Ho-Oh, Heatran, Arceus, Skarmory, Red Card Forretress. Are you telling me you dont have space for any of them? Contrary to what you said, most uber teams have phazing moves. Unlike in OU, where people run protect on heatran, phazing moves are always preferred when it is available to a pokemon.
Taunt users: Gliscor, Terrakion, Deoxys-S, Mewtwo, Heatran.
Pokemon that can possibly OHKO evason boosters if their attacks hit: Kyogre, Reshiram, Kyurem-W(also other base 150 spatk dragons), Deoxys-A, Latios.
Trick users: Darkrai, Deoxys-S, Jirachi.
Oh and if evasion becomes a serious threat, I could just use Haze Zekrom. I told you before that Zekrom didnt need four moveslots.