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StarmanXL · Dec 11th, 2012, 5:04:18 PM

I'm not sure I get what's so great about Shifty compared to other Chlorophyll sweepers. You use being able to get +2 Sp. Atk out of sun as a selling point over Venusaur but then you say that outside of sun it's easy to counter. Not to mention being weak to Mach Punch is bad for a sweeper with such frail offenses, meaning that the ubiquitous Breloom as well as its Mach Punch brethern in Conkeldurr and Infernape can all shut you down immediately. Even a CB Bullet Punch from Scizor has a small chance of one-shotting it after rocks, meaning it really can't afford to take any previous damage. Being able to one-shot Latias, I'll give you that, but 252 HP/0 Sp.Def doesn't take Venusaur's +2 Sludge Bomb well anyway having a very small chance to OHKO after rock damage, and it's an instant kill on offensive Latios anyway. So...I mean i can see getting some use out of Shiftry, but it seems very niche and situational to me. It doesn't help that sun teams are kinda on the weak side compared to Rain atm.

Dec 11th, 2012, 5:04:18 PM	#42
StarmanXL Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,357 Le Petit Prince	I'm not sure I get what's so great about Shifty compared to other Chlorophyll sweepers. You use being able to get +2 Sp. Atk out of sun as a selling point over Venusaur but then you say that outside of sun it's easy to counter. Not to mention being weak to Mach Punch is bad for a sweeper with such frail offenses, meaning that the ubiquitous Breloom as well as its Mach Punch brethern in Conkeldurr and Infernape can all shut you down immediately. Even a CB Bullet Punch from Scizor has a small chance of one-shotting it after rocks, meaning it really can't afford to take any previous damage. Being able to one-shot Latias, I'll give you that, but 252 HP/0 Sp.Def doesn't take Venusaur's +2 Sludge Bomb well anyway having a very small chance to OHKO after rock damage, and it's an instant kill on offensive Latios anyway. So...I mean i can see getting some use out of Shiftry, but it seems very niche and situational to me. It doesn't help that sun teams are kinda on the weak side compared to Rain atm.