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**dragonuser** · Dec 11th, 2012, 7:52:33 PM

Hey there,

This team looks pretty cool, but I do notice a few weaknesses. The most notable weakness is Sun teams. Venusaur alone can do incredible damage to your team, and it can setup on a lot of your Pokemon. Weavile also can't ohko it with Ice Shard (if you even run it), so that becomes a pretty lackluster check. To help with this I would recommend DD Dragonite > Haxorus. I would normally advise against replacing your main sweeper, but since you have done it once already, might as well do it again to get a similar Pokemon but one that helps vs Sun teams. Dragonite is a fantastic Sun check, and is a very solid sweeper in general. I would use the set Remedy posted except use an EV spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd. This may seem like a very minor difference, but it gets Dragonite one more switch in to Stealth Rock. Some other minor moveset changes would be changing Red Card on Forretress to Leftovers. While Red Card is nice, Leftovers gives a lot more overall utility and gives Forretress some form of recovery. Also while this is my personal preference, I would change Weavile's set to Ice Shard / Ice Punch / Brick Break / Night Slash. Weavile is extraordinarily frail, making SD a really risky choice. It is often better to just go with more coverage + LO for power. Ok so Jellicent seems somewhat unnecessary on this team. Rotom-W and Gengar really do much of what Jellicent does, freeing the spot up for other checks. One note, if you do make this change I would make your Rotom-W Specially Defensive.

Rotom-w set

So at the moment you lack a reliable way to deal with Thundurus-T. In the rain it can spam Thunder's carefree and deal huge damage. I would recommend using Latias over Jellicent. Latias is still a solid check to rain, and Keldeo, like Jellicent was, while checking Thundurus-T. Latias also check sun, giving you a secondary check. I would use a LO Pivot set on this team. Latias also maintains great offensive pressure, while acting as a great sponge, much like Jellicent.

Latias set

Dec 11th, 2012, 7:52:33 PM	#12
dragonuser I don't want to fight them again. No matter how many lives I've got, it wouldn't be enough. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,346 Mentor	Hey there, This team looks pretty cool, but I do notice a few weaknesses. The most notable weakness is Sun teams. Venusaur alone can do incredible damage to your team, and it can setup on a lot of your Pokemon. Weavile also can't ohko it with Ice Shard (if you even run it), so that becomes a pretty lackluster check. To help with this I would recommend DD Dragonite > Haxorus. I would normally advise against replacing your main sweeper, but since you have done it once already, might as well do it again to get a similar Pokemon but one that helps vs Sun teams. Dragonite is a fantastic Sun check, and is a very solid sweeper in general. I would use the set Remedy posted except use an EV spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd. This may seem like a very minor difference, but it gets Dragonite one more switch in to Stealth Rock. Some other minor moveset changes would be changing Red Card on Forretress to Leftovers. While Red Card is nice, Leftovers gives a lot more overall utility and gives Forretress some form of recovery. Also while this is my personal preference, I would change Weavile's set to Ice Shard / Ice Punch / Brick Break / Night Slash. Weavile is extraordinarily frail, making SD a really risky choice. It is often better to just go with more coverage + LO for power. Ok so Jellicent seems somewhat unnecessary on this team. Rotom-W and Gengar really do much of what Jellicent does, freeing the spot up for other checks. One note, if you do make this change I would make your Rotom-W Specially Defensive. Rotom-w set Rotom-W @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Pain Split - Hydro Pump - Volt Switch - Will-O-Wisp So at the moment you lack a reliable way to deal with Thundurus-T. In the rain it can spam Thunder's carefree and deal huge damage. I would recommend using Latias over Jellicent. Latias is still a solid check to rain, and Keldeo, like Jellicent was, while checking Thundurus-T. Latias also check sun, giving you a secondary check. I would use a LO Pivot set on this team. Latias also maintains great offensive pressure, while acting as a great sponge, much like Jellicent. Latias set Latias (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Levitate EVs: 72 HP / 184 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Draco Meteor - Surf - Psyshock - Recover