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Yonko7 · Dec 21st, 2012, 12:20:10 AM

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Thick Fat | Careful
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Def / 252 SpD
- Force Palm
- Whirlwind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Hariyama has a lot of potential, especially with Hail running around. The set that Pocket posted is a great wallbreaker that is indeed similar to Druddigon. Haryiama is similar to Poliwrath as both of them are good defensive Pokemon. Thick Fat is what sells the sumo over Poliwrath, which can handle more physically-inclined hits thanks to its typing. On the other hand, Haryiama can take special attacks with relative ease with Thick Fat.

A common Pokemon that could overcome the Cresselia + Poliwrath core is Lilligant, which Hariyama puts a full stop to. Sleep Powder is no threat as RestTalk just laughs at the flower lady. Also, the annoying Glaceon can only muster a 3KO with a Choice Specs Blizzard, which is the strongest it'll get. Compared to Poliwrath, which is 2KOed. Basically, if its a special attacker that does not have a SE attack Hariyama can live a hit and [hopefully] paralyze with Force Palm.

I find Escavalier to be an excellent partner as it can take out the Psychic-types that can easily come in on this set. In return, Hariyama can take an Fire-type attack all day. This set isn't really meant to attack, rather just take punishment and shuffle the opponent's deck. I find Ferroseed and Crustle to be excellent partners in crime. I really like Ferroseed's ability to set up both Stealth Rock and Spikes, whilst having Leech Seed to regain health. Crustle can also set both up and be an offensive presence with Shell Smash. Further down the line, Spiritomb is Hariyama's best friend. First, Spiritomb spinblocks, so the hazards are always down. Second, Spiritomb can punish Psychic-types trying to ruin the party.

In the end, Hariyama is a bit like the special analog to Poliwrath.

Edit:

I tested Lampent thinking that it is completely useless; a NFE that isn't really gonna do anything until Shadow Tag is released. I was impressed by the floating lamp. There is a common theme between the Ghost-types with the lack of reliable recovery, and Lampant carries the lamp high with Pain Split. When I was playing with it, I kept thinking it was a dual Electric-type ;-;, but the Fire-type does hurt it due to Stealth Rock. Although it does beat Cryogonal, it loses to Kabutops. Its biggest job--spinblock--isn't done well against the primer Rapid Spinner. But the easy switch-in to a Flare Blitz from Entei is still really sweet. Its ability to scorce Escavalier and Durant is a nice plus, that other Ghost-types can boast about! Lampent is a hybrid in a way between Misdreavus and Spiritomb. It isn't as bulky as Misdreavus but isn't as useful as Spiritomb. Misdreavus has more use on a slower team, and Spiritomb for offense. Lampent is more for balanced teams that need specific bases covered, like spinblock, Fire-type check, Escavalier check, etc.

Dec 21st, 2012, 12:20:10 AM	#22
Yonko7 You don’t have to forgive me. No matter what you decide from now on, I will love you forever. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 583 Mentor	Hariyama @ Leftovers Thick Fat \| Careful EVs: 12 HP / 244 Def / 252 SpD - Force Palm - Whirlwind - Rest - Sleep Talk Hariyama has a lot of potential, especially with Hail running around. The set that Pocket posted is a great wallbreaker that is indeed similar to Druddigon. Haryiama is similar to Poliwrath as both of them are good defensive Pokemon. Thick Fat is what sells the sumo over Poliwrath, which can handle more physically-inclined hits thanks to its typing. On the other hand, Haryiama can take special attacks with relative ease with Thick Fat. A common Pokemon that could overcome the Cresselia + Poliwrath core is Lilligant, which Hariyama puts a full stop to. Sleep Powder is no threat as RestTalk just laughs at the flower lady. Also, the annoying Glaceon can only muster a 3KO with a Choice Specs Blizzard, which is the strongest it'll get. Compared to Poliwrath, which is 2KOed. Basically, if its a special attacker that does not have a SE attack Hariyama can live a hit and [hopefully] paralyze with Force Palm. I find Escavalier to be an excellent partner as it can take out the Psychic-types that can easily come in on this set. In return, Hariyama can take an Fire-type attack all day. This set isn't really meant to attack, rather just take punishment and shuffle the opponent's deck. I find Ferroseed and Crustle to be excellent partners in crime. I really like Ferroseed's ability to set up both Stealth Rock and Spikes, whilst having Leech Seed to regain health. Crustle can also set both up and be an offensive presence with Shell Smash. Further down the line, Spiritomb is Hariyama's best friend. First, Spiritomb spinblocks, so the hazards are always down. Second, Spiritomb can punish Psychic-types trying to ruin the party. In the end, Hariyama is a bit like the special analog to Poliwrath. Edit: I tested Lampent thinking that it is completely useless; a NFE that isn't really gonna do anything until Shadow Tag is released. I was impressed by the floating lamp. There is a common theme between the Ghost-types with the lack of reliable recovery, and Lampant carries the lamp high with Pain Split. When I was playing with it, I kept thinking it was a dual Electric-type ;-;, but the Fire-type does hurt it due to Stealth Rock. Although it does beat Cryogonal, it loses to Kabutops. Its biggest job--spinblock--isn't done well against the primer Rapid Spinner. But the easy switch-in to a Flare Blitz from Entei is still really sweet. Its ability to scorce Escavalier and Durant is a nice plus, that other Ghost-types can boast about! Lampent is a hybrid in a way between Misdreavus and Spiritomb. It isn't as bulky as Misdreavus but isn't as useful as Spiritomb. Misdreavus has more use on a slower team, and Spiritomb for offense. Lampent is more for balanced teams that need specific bases covered, like spinblock, Fire-type check, Escavalier check, etc. __________________ ✓\| Back in Action \|VM for a GP Stamp \| VM for a RU rate\| Last edited by Yonko7; Dec 21st, 2012 at 12:52:31 AM.