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Originally Posted by Fat Organization Member XIV
Just finished a run. Did Snorlax already in a previous post, so I'll just rank the rest of the team.
Jolteon
Mid Tier
Availability: Only one Eevee in the game, received in Celadon Condominiums (the apartment buildings) at Level 25. Early/mid-game, before the fourth badge.
Stats: Base 130 Speed and 110 SpAtk are nothing to laugh at, especially with STAB Thunderbolt/Thunder. SpDef is decent at 95, while Base 65 HP and Atk are pretty horrible.
Movepool: Pretty horrible outside of ThunderBolt, Shock Wave, and Thunderbolt. The only Special coverage move it gets is Hidden Power, while the only decent other options it gets are Double Kick, Pin Missile, and Shadow Ball. Both Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball are GC TMs, so getting the coins kind of sucks. |
And even with all of this, you still advocate for maintaining Mid-Tier placement? No meaningful resistance, no immunity. A fast paralyzer, and maybe Thunderbolt - that's it.
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Venusaur
Mid Tier
Availability: A starter, so Bulbasaur is the first Pokemon you get.
Stats: Pretty balanced stats all around, so has decent bulk and can go mixed. Other than that, nothing spectacular.
Movepool: Sleep Powder and Leech Seed are a good combination. Gets Giga Drain as a TM from Erika's gym, as well as Earthquake from Giovanni and Razor Leaf through level-up. Unfortunately, the Body Slam TM does not exist like in Gen 1, so you'll probably stuck with Mono-Grass+Cut for most of the game unless you use the 1 EQ TM.
Major Matchups:
Brock: Vine Whip destroys him.
Misty: You should have Razor Leaf by this time, so you'll have no problem.
Lt. Surge: You resist Electric STAB, although Diglett/Dugtrio is far superior for this match.
Koga: Cut is shit, so no.
Giovanni: Takes care of the Rhyhorns and Dugtrio. A Water or Ice Type is a better choice for the Nidos though.
Lorelei: Cloyster is probably the only one you wanna go up against due to its low SpDef.
Bruno: Kills the Onixes, although stay away from the Hitmons and Machamp.
Agatha: NO
Lance: NO
Blue: Rhydon is destroyed by Giga Drain/Razor Leaf. Other than that, probably no kills for Venusaur.
General Stuff: No auto-critting Razor Leaf or Body Slam TM like in Gen 1 hurts it a lot, as Team Rocket loves to use Poison Types.
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The particular game I ran through was Venusaur / Lapras / Marowak / Chansey / Meowth / Mr. Mime., not one of them was over Level 55 (and that was Chansey). If I learned anything, it is the following:
Utility is nice
Venusaur can take hits
Venusaur with Sleep Powder, Leech Seed, Razor Leaf, and Sweet Scent can do alot of damage, and makes for good utility when capturing. The difference between sleep and paralysis, whether it is a major battle, or capturing one, is insane. Venusaur should remain high tier, as it is gotten early, useful against Brock,Misty,your Rival,and the Rockets with a Poison Status immunity, as well as fighting resist against the Dojo.
Venusaur also gets Leech Seed, which while Haxxy (misses quite a bit for me), will allow for staying power in other Pokemon, and a way to take down bulky pokemon, if you have no other means of hitting them. And no other grass deserves top tier because either they don't get a reliable grass move (Oddish), or they are weaker in staying power (Bellsprout).
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Gyarados
High Tier
Availability: Magikarp can be bought from the bald guy in the Pokemon Center near Mt. Moon for 500 dollars. So early.
Stats: Good Atk, although no good moves to abuse outside of EQ. Has good Special Attack to utilize STAB water moves as well as Blizzard.
Movepool: As a Magikarp, Splash, Flail, and Tackle. Gets Bite as soon as you evolve it at Level 20 and Dragon Rage five levels later. Can also utilize the Water Pulse TM that Misty gives you. Eventually upgrades to Surf, Hydro Pump, and Blizzard. Can also utilize the EQ TM.
General Stuff: Training Magikarp is a bitch, although you can always dump it in the day-care. Once you get a Gyarados, however, stuff becomes a LOT better.
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Mid-tier maybe, but not high. Magikarp is crap, and you don't get a Magikarp more than level 10 before Snorlax. Talk about hard to train - Kadabra covers its own from level 16, Magikarp is stuck until level 20. And then it learns a bunch of moves that it is locked into, or can't use. You don't get EQ until Viridian City.
Nidoran M is already high tier, as is Mankey.