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Originally Posted by Fat cim
It's not NEARLY as bad as everyone is making it sound. You have to let something absorb the sleep, but even if Wonder Skin makes you miss on Venomoth, what stops you from just using Whirlwind on the turn it uses Baton Pass? Snorlax is really a big problem for Venomoth in general and while Wonder Skin is wonderful, it's not an auto-lose.
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You're right, nothing's stopping you from phazing the receiver. However, any good player should keep Venomoth that has reached +2 in Special Attack on the field until the phazer is eliminated, Baton Passing out is, of course, a silly thing to do. The 50% miss chance essentially enables Venomoth to be able to deal with the phazer on its own, but you're right in saying that Snorlax is usually too big of a wall to get around. Unless you're planning on running max SpA on Venomoth, the only way it's winning against Snorlax is if it's a RestTalk variant which was forced to sleep. Then, it'll only have a 16,67% chance of Whirlwind actually hitting, meaning Venomoth will have a clear chance of beating it. Of course, this is all theorymonning, but we should expect WS Venomoth being a much bigger threat than Tinted Lens.