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RabidChipmunk · Dec 25th, 2012, 8:30:01 PM

Well, this is a really interesting suspect test. I always find it interesting to look at all the things Drizzle has resulted in the ban of (although, arguably, Thundurus and Manaphy would've gotten banned anyway).

In regards to Keldeo, he's an excellent Pokemon, but I hesitate to call him broken, simply because he doesn't really rise above and beyond the rest of the tier in my mind. He's the gold standard of OU offense, but he doesn't transcend it. After all, Terrakion has existed for quite sometime as the premier OU physical beatstick, and with the re-release of pinch berries, his SubSalac set is an absolute monster, but he's still not banworthy. He's just another sign of what the OU metagame has become -- a whole bunch of offensive powerhouses trying to out-murder each other. Keldeo's in the same boat; he's absolute hell to deal with, but no more so than some other OU 'mons.

Tornadus-T, on the other hand, can fuck off and die. His only limiting qualities are modest offensive stats and moderate frailty, but he's fast enough that he doesn't give a fuck. Hurricane will still maul anything unfortunate enough to not be named Jirachi, and simply switching in an opposing weather inducer isn't enough to beat him, as he can simply go for the Hurricane anyway, accept whatever damage he may or may not get, than either:
A) U-turn off the opposing Pokemon's face and bring out Politoed, who beats Tyranitar and Ninetales in the rain,
or
B) If the opposing Pokemon is Tyranitar, he can just Superpower his ugly, stupid face in.
Stealth Rock, Life Orb recoil and sandstorm damage are all completely meaningless to Torn-T, as Regenerator means he can just bounce in and out as many times as it takes to get his health back, and since base 121 Speed is, as we all already know, absolute bullshit, it's not that hard to do.

Oh, and fuck that argument that says "IF WE BAN TORNADUS-T, TORNADUS-I WILL JUST COME BACK AND BE BROKEN ALL OVER AGAIN." Tornadus-I doesn't have regenerator, and Tornadus-I gets revenge killed by Starmie, Alakazam, and Scarf TTar. Tornadus-T does, and Tornadus-T doesn't.

Dec 25th, 2012, 8:30:01 PM	#59
RabidChipmunk Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 200 Serenity now, sanity later.	Well, this is a really interesting suspect test. I always find it interesting to look at all the things Drizzle has resulted in the ban of (although, arguably, Thundurus and Manaphy would've gotten banned anyway). In regards to Keldeo, he's an excellent Pokemon, but I hesitate to call him broken, simply because he doesn't really rise above and beyond the rest of the tier in my mind. He's the gold standard of OU offense, but he doesn't transcend it. After all, Terrakion has existed for quite sometime as the premier OU physical beatstick, and with the re-release of pinch berries, his SubSalac set is an absolute monster, but he's still not banworthy. He's just another sign of what the OU metagame has become -- a whole bunch of offensive powerhouses trying to out-murder each other. Keldeo's in the same boat; he's absolute hell to deal with, but no more so than some other OU 'mons. Tornadus-T, on the other hand, can fuck off and die. His only limiting qualities are modest offensive stats and moderate frailty, but he's fast enough that he doesn't give a fuck. Hurricane will still maul anything unfortunate enough to not be named Jirachi, and simply switching in an opposing weather inducer isn't enough to beat him, as he can simply go for the Hurricane anyway, accept whatever damage he may or may not get, than either: A) U-turn off the opposing Pokemon's face and bring out Politoed, who beats Tyranitar and Ninetales in the rain, or B) If the opposing Pokemon is Tyranitar, he can just Superpower his ugly, stupid face in. Stealth Rock, Life Orb recoil and sandstorm damage are all completely meaningless to Torn-T, as Regenerator means he can just bounce in and out as many times as it takes to get his health back, and since base 121 Speed is, as we all already know, absolute bullshit, it's not that hard to do. Oh, and fuck that argument that says "IF WE BAN TORNADUS-T, TORNADUS-I WILL JUST COME BACK AND BE BROKEN ALL OVER AGAIN." Tornadus-I doesn't have regenerator, and Tornadus-I gets revenge killed by Starmie, Alakazam, and Scarf TTar. Tornadus-T does, and Tornadus-T doesn't. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRabidChipmunk Check out my channel for Pokemon B2/W2 Wi-Fi battles! B2/W2 FC: 1378-5087-0752 I use legal hacks. Last edited by RabidChipmunk; Dec 25th, 2012 at 8:40:29 PM.