iconic fwiw, i'm not angry with council or trying to scapegoat them for their selection. the point of this thread wasn't "i didn't get my way and now im trying to desperately change it!!" - in fact, i'm already in discussion in the current thread about why i feel tornadus-t is currently broken and keldeo isn't. it's that 5 people control how ou gets tested and what the format is like and no one knows how it happens (at the moment).
yes, i personally can talk to aldaron, bloo, or jabba because they've all been very forth-coming, but the point is the discussion still happens behind closed doors. i agree with jabba that an irc channel open to the public (with restricted access to people who are known to be logical or calm when discussing things, and not become argumentative problems) goes a long way and that would be a huge step in resolving the transparency problem. along with that, maybe the council posts its reasoning for why they chose the current suspects over such and such, and maybe they can post their current feelings about other suspects not being tested in a different discussion thread.
the only other issue was with the ou mods telling us don't discuss such or such or your post is gone via council's decision - aldaron, bloo, and jabba have assured me that they don't care at all what we discuss in the thread as long as we're reasonable and make our points clear and not just "BAN DRIZZLES LOL". with that behind us, i think this thread actually did serve a positive purpose if we've already come to both of these decisions moving forward.