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Gimili · Jan 6th, 2013, 9:08:30 PM

Ok, I think this set is pretty deserving in Ubers; Choice Band Lucario.

Lucario @ Choice Band
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Crunch
- Ice Punch

Its utility might not seem obvious at first, but it checks a LOT of non-scarfers in Ubers. Choice Scarf Terrakion is always OHKOed by Bullet Punch, no hazards needed. Bulky Dialga is OHKOed by Close Combat. 4/0 Kyogre is KOed after stealth rock by Close Combat. Bulky Groudon is 2HKOed after Stealth Rock. An insane amount of pokemon are OHKOed after Stealth Rock, such as Palkia, Reshiram, Zekrom, etc. Terrakion might seem to do this job better, but Lucario has 2 main advantages; priority and a way to hit ghost-types. This is so useful its not even funny. Here are the calcs to prove Lucario is viable with a Choice Band

252Atk Choice Band Lucario Close Combat vs 4HP/0Def Kyogre: 83% - 98% (286 - 337 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

252Atk Choice Band Lucario Close Combat vs 252HP/0Def Groudon : 48% - 57% (195 - 231 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 21% chance to 2HKO. 100% after Stealth Rock.

252Atk Choice Band Lucario Crunch vs 252HP/0Def Giratina: 39% - 46% (200 - 236 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. Garunteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock.

Note that these calcs are Jolly Lucario. Adamant can be used for ridiculous power, but you will be outsped by a lot, so be careful!

This set is for when Shadow Tag Chandelure is realeased, but what the hell.

Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Overheat
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- HP Fighting / HP Ice

Basically the best revenge killer in the game. There's no question of prediction; no question of what pokemon he might switch into. Chandelure traps and kills all ubers without a Choice Scarf, and while base 80 Speed isn't much, it outspeeds all non-scarfers. You only have to know if your target is scarfed or not to safely switch in. Steel type walling your dragon? Gone. 60% Lugia just killed your Groudon? Outsped and murdered. Not even resists can tank Scarf Sun-fueled Overheats comfortably. If you don't believe me, here are the calcs.

252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 4HP/0SpDef Mewtwo (Neutral): 125% - 148% (445 - 525 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 252HP/0SpDef Groudon (Neutral): 110% - 129% (445 - 525 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Lugia (+SpDef): 51% - 61% (216 - 255 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

Obviously Chandelure has its checks and counters, but it doesn't even matter with the right prediction. You have a Kyogre to wall my Chandelure? OK. Then I won't switch into it. Shadow Tag eases prediction sooo much.

Jan 6th, 2013, 9:08:30 PM	#69
Gimili Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 13 East Coast	Ok, I think this set is pretty deserving in Ubers; Choice Band Lucario. Lucario @ Choice Band Trait: Justified EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Close Combat - Bullet Punch - Crunch - Ice Punch Its utility might not seem obvious at first, but it checks a LOT of non-scarfers in Ubers. Choice Scarf Terrakion is always OHKOed by Bullet Punch, no hazards needed. Bulky Dialga is OHKOed by Close Combat. 4/0 Kyogre is KOed after stealth rock by Close Combat. Bulky Groudon is 2HKOed after Stealth Rock. An insane amount of pokemon are OHKOed after Stealth Rock, such as Palkia, Reshiram, Zekrom, etc. Terrakion might seem to do this job better, but Lucario has 2 main advantages; priority and a way to hit ghost-types. This is so useful its not even funny. Here are the calcs to prove Lucario is viable with a Choice Band 252Atk Choice Band Lucario Close Combat vs 4HP/0Def Kyogre: 83% - 98% (286 - 337 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 252Atk Choice Band Lucario Close Combat vs 252HP/0Def Groudon : 48% - 57% (195 - 231 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 21% chance to 2HKO. 100% after Stealth Rock. 252Atk Choice Band Lucario Crunch vs 252HP/0Def Giratina: 39% - 46% (200 - 236 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. Garunteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock. Note that these calcs are Jolly Lucario. Adamant can be used for ridiculous power, but you will be outsped by a lot, so be careful! This set is for when Shadow Tag Chandelure is realeased, but what the hell. Chandelure @ Choice Scarf Trait: Shadow Tag EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Modest Nature - Overheat - Shadow Ball - Energy Ball - HP Fighting / HP Ice Basically the best revenge killer in the game. There's no question of prediction; no question of what pokemon he might switch into. Chandelure traps and kills all ubers without a Choice Scarf, and while base 80 Speed isn't much, it outspeeds all non-scarfers. You only have to know if your target is scarfed or not to safely switch in. Steel type walling your dragon? Gone. 60% Lugia just killed your Groudon? Outsped and murdered. Not even resists can tank Scarf Sun-fueled Overheats comfortably. If you don't believe me, here are the calcs. 252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 4HP/0SpDef Mewtwo (Neutral): 125% - 148% (445 - 525 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. 252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 252HP/0SpDef Groudon (Neutral): 110% - 129% (445 - 525 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. 252SpAtk Chandelure (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Lugia (+SpDef): 51% - 61% (216 - 255 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. Obviously Chandelure has its checks and counters, but it doesn't even matter with the right prediction. You have a Kyogre to wall my Chandelure? OK. Then I won't switch into it. Shadow Tag eases prediction sooo much. Last edited by Gimili; Jan 6th, 2013 at 9:37:33 PM.