Originally Posted by Fat Limitless
I think you're fundamentally looking at this the wrong way. Essentially, you're looking at the weak spots and just picking apart Nidoqueen. The issue with that is you're ignoring what Nidoqueen does best - put heavy pressure on stall. If stall is not viable due to Nidoqueen dominating that playstyle, then in my opinion, it should be banned. The real question you need to be answering in your post is whether or not Nidoqueen dominates stall, not what stops Nidoqueen. Everyone knows that Nidoqueen isn't the fastest and that hail fucks it over. The root of why Nidoqueen would be overpowered strictly lies in its ability to block another playstyle out of contention.
I'm going to entirely disagree. This is because we already answered these questions regarding Nidoqueen. My tl;dr is that the effect of Nidoqueen on Stall's decline is being attributed only to Nidoqueen, when it is actually a combination of BW 2's naturally more offensive RU metagame. I wrote an extensive post here.
I believe arguments from that suspect round are incredibly pertinent for this round, as this RU metagame and that RU metagame are basically the same, except for Hail, Durant, and Cofagrigus. Hail and Durant are additions that make Nidoqueen's life miserable, while losing Cofagrigus was another huge drop for stall. I do not think Nidoqueen is what is causing stall to be unviable. RU itself did that. Why do you think Cresselia RU was so stall infested? It's because the combination of Cresselia + Poliwrath (but just mainly Cresselia) handled almost all of the offensive threats in two teamslots, giving stall room to actually make a team. It's really difficult to do that with the defensive Pokemon we have considering the sheer power of the offensive Pokemon. And even assuming for a ridiculous second that Nidoqueen is what's smashing stall, there are Pokemon that can deal with it, as you said. I have been involved with a rather successful Stall team--the key to "countering" Nidoqueen is bulky Psychic-type Pokemon. But Stall will never counter every Pokemon in this RU tier; it's not Nidoqueen's fault. And when the metagame is significantly worse for Nidoqueen than any in the past? I think we found ourselves a keeper.