Originally Posted by Fat gene
lol what the hell are nidoqueen and jumpluff doing in uu
Jumpluff used to be OU but Hip dropped it when he futzed with the old-gen tiers for no particular reason a couple years ago.
Originally Posted by Fat Jorgen
I'd hesitate to call Nidoqueen all that overpowering. It's a good mon, of course, but certainly beatable if you take time to prepare for it when teambuilding. If anything it's just disappointing that it's basically a facet of OU cp'd into UU, which imo isn't really enough of a reason to keep something out of UU.
If anything it's just disappointing that it's basically a facet of OU cp'd into UU, which imo isn't really enough of a reason to keep something out of UU.
It is if your reason for playing UU is to avoid seeing the same OU shit all day, which is basically how current-gen UU operates on this site. The precedent, as far as the Nidos are concerned, is that they are treated separately (different tiers in DPP and BW2) but I can understand why people wouldn't want Nidoqueen in UU.
Just because something is OU doesn't mean UU can't beat it anyway, I mean that much is obvious if you just substitute Nidoking for Nidoqueen. ;[ What does Nidoking do that Nidoqueen doesn't, outspeed Gyarados? Do an extra 3% to "average defender?" They have identical typing, virtually identical movesets, and only very minor stat differences. Anything that can handle Nidoqueen will be able to handle Nidoking and vice-versa. The only reason Nidoqueen is UU is because
it's basically Nidoking that doesn't speed tie with Suicune and nobody is using both of them. It's not like each tier is a static power level where all OUs are created equal and all of them are definitively better than everything in UU.