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Old Jan 26th, 2013, 6:52:34 AM   #65
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OK, I've already mentioned this, but I think that people may have overlooked it. I think that Stall players are forgetting a couple of things when they say that they're having trouble with their playstyle in RU. Sure there's Nidoqueen, but Nidoqueen can be beaten by strong cores, particularly by Pokemon such as Clefable, Uxie, Spiritomb etc. And generally speaking stall should have at least one Pokemon that can outspeed and deal heavy damage to Nidoqueen, such as fast Qwilfish (which also helps against Smeargle). But the premise of my argument is this: Stall teams require good amounts of passive damage to function properly. And this is becoming exceedingly difficult in RU, and it has little to do with Nidoqueen.

Stall teams need passive damage, otherwise they obviously don't work. The problem lies in the fact that Rapid Spinning is incredibly easy to pull off in RU. Kabutops is practically guaranteed to spin, and Cryogonal, beats every Ghost-type apart from Spiritomb, which can be double switched against and the Spiritomb ends up facing something like Choice Band Entei. There is very little that a successful stall team can do to stop Rapid Spinners, and without thei precious hazards, the teams will crumble to the power of some of RU's residents far quicker than their weak attacks can damage them or hazards can take their toll. Toxic Spikes are also more or less an essential tool if one, wishes to enjoy a fully functioning Stall team, but they're incredibly unviable in RU, not because of the Rapid Spinners, but because of the sheer number of grounded Poison-types. Drapion, Qwilfish, Roselia, Amoonguss, Nidoqueen and other are all abundant. Then we have the problem that stall lacks passive weather damage. Sandstream is not available, and Hail stall is very unreliable, as you have to sacrifice one of your precious teamslots to Snover, which brings very little to a stall team in terms of defensive synergy.

Of course, there is also the problem that RU is home to some of the heaviest hitters in competetive Pokemon. Durant and Medicham rival or exceed the power of Kyurem-B, and Aggron and Nidoqueen have almost no safe switchins on a stall team. I think that the stall players need to stop focusing their attention only on Nidoqueen and accept that it is not the sole cause of Stall's difficulty to succeed, but that it is a variety of factors that unfortunately affected every tier in Gen 5. I also like Silvershadow234's comparison of Nidoqueen to Hydreigon: it's a Pokemon that has practically no safe switchins, decent to good bulk, but middling Speed, which means that it can be revenge killed. Hydreigon is obviously not a broken Pokemon, and while OU obviously isn't RU, the comparison between the two is valid.
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