Ok so I'm going to comment more:
I think Shrang's point is that the better player will always win regardless of team matchups, as was trying to use creativity teams to prove it? I agree with Lavos in the respect that most gimmick or diverse Pokemon are simply outclassed by other Pokemon (see Chansey vs. Audino), but I also believe that diversity is unaffected by weather. Allow me to explain:
There will always be a common archetype, and there will always be a generic team, and there will always be a top 10 list of overused Pokemon. Which means that diversity depends on the metgamae imo, as the metagame determines what can be used and still be diverse. Changing the metagame only changes the Pokemon we can classify as "viable" and "diverse" at the same time. Take Zapdos, its a great teammate to combat rain, and even Gastrodon too. Take rain away and all of a sudden you'll find that Zapdos and Kingdra no longer have a niche, but something like Chandy might be more viable in the obvious spike of Sun than it would be if rain were still around. I don't see how banning the weathers are supposed to magically diverse the metagame. Competetive players will want to win and somehting will always outclass something else, erasing weather just changes the Pokes we can call both viable and diverse imo.
With that said, I'm not saying sun or rain is or isn't broken (due to me being on the fence with both). I'm only saying that I don't believe in this "diverse" arguement. Also, I agree with Shrang in the aspect that the better player will always be on top. Take for example, I've beaten OU tours and good friends (not naming for their pride's sake) with Specs Blissey team. Specs Blissey worked a bit in BW2 Gene because RP Gene can't touch it and Specs Nadus was also stopped by it, and nothing can switch into Specs Focus Blast / Thunder / Ice Beam / Hyper Beam lol. Yes, Specs Blissey is shit. But I also came out on top because I knew its small merits (like countering Venusaur for my rain team, since I paired Specs Bliss with Poli) and abused them and came out on top vs. legitimate players. Point being that the better player will usually always win with the exception of hax. (This is my beef with the matchups compel losses since the better player should always be winning).
Ok keep commenting lol. Just my 2cents.
Last edited by Pocket; Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:51:58 AM.