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alexwolf · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:02:21 PM

Offensive

Additional Comments:

Add more teammates to deal with Terrakion, one of the best switch-ins to offensive Heatran, as you currently only have Forretress, which is not very resilient and dies to a +2 LO CC or +2 Rock Gem SE anyway. Some examples are Landorus-T and Gengar, and both are easy to fit on offensive minded teams

Specially Defensive

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Mention Roserade and RestTalk Gyarados as partners. The first can set up Spikes and T-Spikes and gets free switches against the water-types that Heatran attracts. The latter has perfect defensive synergy with Heatran, aside from Rock and Electric moves, and Gyarados can handle most Water-types, physical Dragons, and even choiced Terrakion with the help of Protect on Heatran
Earth Power for opposing Heatran, Tentacruel, Terrakion and Infernape
Taunt to get past the blobs, Jellicent, and stop Ferrothorn in rain from setting up on Heatran. Whenever i use Taunt on SpD Heatran i use it over Roar, as Heatran needs Toxic and Protect to get past the blobs with Taunt
Hidden Power Ice for dragons, Gliscor, and Landorus(-T)
Mention a faster spread of 248 HP / 12 SpD / 248 Spe with a Calm nature. The EVs allow you to outrun Adamant Breloom, Jolly Scizor, SubD-Tail Kyurem-B (to Roar him out before he used Dragon Tail), and most defensive variants of Gliscor and Landorus-T. This lets you deal way better with those threats, especially when using Hidden Power Ice for Gliscor and Landorus-T

Substitute

Additional Comments:

Mention Celebi which easily handles Water-types immune to status, such as Starmie and Hydration Vaporeon, while having awesome synergy in general

Choice Scarf

Additional Comments:

Mention more teammates apart from Venusaur. Good teammates are those that can deal with the dangerous Pokemon that can set up on choice-locked Heatran, mainly Terrakion, Keldeo, Dragonite, Salamence, Latias, and Gyarados. Celebi, Mamoswine, Hippowdon, Landorus-T, and Scizor can deal with those threats, and thus work well with Heatran

Weather Trapper

Set Comments:

After mentioning Tyranitar and Politoed as targets for Sunny Day, you could also mention how it lets Heatran fuck up all the water-types that love to come into Heatran, such as Rotom-W, Starmie, Jellicent, and Gastrodon

Additional Comments:

Mention Timid Venusaur as a good teammate, which outspeeds and OHKOes Scarf Terrakion, a dangerous Pokemon for sun teams that can also easily switch into Heatran. Venusaur can also easily switch into Scarf Politoed, the only Politoed set that can beat this Heatran
Iirc there was a bulky spread that could be used with Chople Berry, which allowed Heatran to survive a CC from Terrakion and OHKO back with Solarbeam. I don't remember the exact EVs, but i will try to get some info on this, or wait for anyone else to post this spread
Partners to bust through Chansey and Blissey. Xatu with Toxic walls them and can force them out, Darmanitan and Victini OHKO them in sun, SubToxic Gliscor sets up on them, and Terrakion makes them run for their lives

Choice Specs

Additional Comments:

Add this spread: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD with a Quite nature. This spread should be used with Trick Room support obviously. Also mention that physically defensive Trick Room Cresselia is possibly the best partner for this set, except for Ninetales
Add Pokemon to deal with Terrakion, especially the SD SubSalac set that can setup on a -2 Heatran, or even on a Fire Blast, and then proceed to wreck the entire sun team. Timid Venusaur is a classic option, but Gliscor or Forretress work too

Checks and Counters

I want you to emphasize Terrakion as a Heatran switch-in, as it is one of the best switch-ins to him for offensive teams, and the most threatening Pokemon that scares Heatran out, sometimes making it a liability. Heatran will not use Earth Power from the get go anyway, as the first time it comes in it will want to set up SR, often giving an invite for Terrakion to come in. Also Terrakion in sand doesn't really mind taking Earrth Power from offensive Heatran, which do only 44.44 - 52.46%
Emphasize more Latias as a check. Offensive sets are straight up walled by CM Latias, which then proceeds to setup on it with impunity

Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:02:21 PM	#24
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,633 Greece	Offensive Additional Comments: Add more teammates to deal with Terrakion, one of the best switch-ins to offensive Heatran, as you currently only have Forretress, which is not very resilient and dies to a +2 LO CC or +2 Rock Gem SE anyway. Some examples are Landorus-T and Gengar, and both are easy to fit on offensive minded teams Specially Defensive Additional Comments: Mention Roserade and RestTalk Gyarados as partners. The first can set up Spikes and T-Spikes and gets free switches against the water-types that Heatran attracts. The latter has perfect defensive synergy with Heatran, aside from Rock and Electric moves, and Gyarados can handle most Water-types, physical Dragons, and even choiced Terrakion with the help of Protect on Heatran Earth Power for opposing Heatran, Tentacruel, Terrakion and Infernape Taunt to get past the blobs, Jellicent, and stop Ferrothorn in rain from setting up on Heatran. Whenever i use Taunt on SpD Heatran i use it over Roar, as Heatran needs Toxic and Protect to get past the blobs with Taunt Hidden Power Ice for dragons, Gliscor, and Landorus(-T) Mention a faster spread of 248 HP / 12 SpD / 248 Spe with a Calm nature. The EVs allow you to outrun Adamant Breloom, Jolly Scizor, SubD-Tail Kyurem-B (to Roar him out before he used Dragon Tail), and most defensive variants of Gliscor and Landorus-T. This lets you deal way better with those threats, especially when using Hidden Power Ice for Gliscor and Landorus-T Substitute Additional Comments: Mention Celebi which easily handles Water-types immune to status, such as Starmie and Hydration Vaporeon, while having awesome synergy in general Choice Scarf Additional Comments: Mention more teammates apart from Venusaur. Good teammates are those that can deal with the dangerous Pokemon that can set up on choice-locked Heatran, mainly Terrakion, Keldeo, Dragonite, Salamence, Latias, and Gyarados. Celebi, Mamoswine, Hippowdon, Landorus-T, and Scizor can deal with those threats, and thus work well with Heatran Weather Trapper Set Comments: After mentioning Tyranitar and Politoed as targets for Sunny Day, you could also mention how it lets Heatran fuck up all the water-types that love to come into Heatran, such as Rotom-W, Starmie, Jellicent, and Gastrodon Additional Comments: Mention Timid Venusaur as a good teammate, which outspeeds and OHKOes Scarf Terrakion, a dangerous Pokemon for sun teams that can also easily switch into Heatran. Venusaur can also easily switch into Scarf Politoed, the only Politoed set that can beat this Heatran Iirc there was a bulky spread that could be used with Chople Berry, which allowed Heatran to survive a CC from Terrakion and OHKO back with Solarbeam. I don't remember the exact EVs, but i will try to get some info on this, or wait for anyone else to post this spread Partners to bust through Chansey and Blissey. Xatu with Toxic walls them and can force them out, Darmanitan and Victini OHKO them in sun, SubToxic Gliscor sets up on them, and Terrakion makes them run for their lives Choice Specs Additional Comments: Add this spread: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD with a Quite nature. This spread should be used with Trick Room support obviously. Also mention that physically defensive Trick Room Cresselia is possibly the best partner for this set, except for Ninetales Add Pokemon to deal with Terrakion, especially the SD SubSalac set that can setup on a -2 Heatran, or even on a Fire Blast, and then proceed to wreck the entire sun team. Timid Venusaur is a classic option, but Gliscor or Forretress work too Checks and Counters I want you to emphasize Terrakion as a Heatran switch-in, as it is one of the best switch-ins to him for offensive teams, and the most threatening Pokemon that scares Heatran out, sometimes making it a liability. Heatran will not use Earth Power from the get go anyway, as the first time it comes in it will want to set up SR, often giving an invite for Terrakion to come in. Also Terrakion in sand doesn't really mind taking Earrth Power from offensive Heatran, which do only 44.44 - 52.46% Emphasize more Latias as a check. Offensive sets are straight up walled by CM Latias, which then proceeds to setup on it with impunity __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check! Last edited by alexwolf; Feb 11th, 2013 at 11:12:41 PM.