Originally Posted by Fat ginganinja
The problem I personally have with this concept, is that I worry that we end up with a better Espeon / Xatu. Heck, the solution to fullfilling the above concept is "give any half decent mon Magic Mirror and we are successful". People have already highlighted the fact that it can possibly be a better Forretress (or a Ferrothorn with Rapid Spin) and I just worry that we end up with a CAP thats just an upgraded Forry / Ferro / Espeon or something. I would really like this CAP to differentiate itself from the above pokemon but I don't think the concept can handle this
Pwnemon do you envision any ideas or strategies that would limit or prevent this or is the concept really about making a new Espeon / Xatu / Forretress / Ferrothorn?
IMO the minute we throw Magic Bounce onto a mon it just becomes Xatu/Espeon 2.0 as those pokemon are kind of solely defined by that ability. It's just that good. You don't look at them for any other reason other then the fact that they have magic bounce, so by default any mon that gets magic bounce will just be a better Xatu/Espeon with a 99% likelyhood. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
A hazard mon isn't JUST about hazards though. For example, Ferrothorn has impressive offensive coverage and leech seed, while Forretress has Rapid Spin and Volt Switch, Deoxys-D has speedy taunt and is hard to OHKO, etc etc. Every hazard setter has their own defined niche, and I don't see a hazard control mon having a hard time finding its own niche.