[The Agonist]

Originally Posted by Fat Chou Toshio

Just, going to say, this one doesn't work at all flavor-wise. Biologically, it doesn't make sense.

Cradily is a grass type in that many cnidarians (Jellyfish, Coral, Anemones, etc.) like Cradily, often house photosynthesizing organisms like Algae inside their bodies. Obviously, algae/phytoplankton don't produce seeds. The vast majority of marine plants and other photosynthesizing organisms don't produce seeds.

Only the smallest fraction of seed-producing plants are fully aquatic (don't produce air leaves, don't grow partially out of the water), and only the tiniest fraction of them are Marine > Fresh Water. It's basically limited to some species of sea grass like eel grass, and plants like Vallisnaria sp. if you count brackish water environments. Obviously none of these have to do with a cnidarian like Cradily, which is some kind of ancient polyp/coral/anemone thing. It has no function to produce seeds.

That said, Breloom is a spore-producing fungus (ie. an organism that doesn't produce seeds-- fuck, fungus are technically closer related to animals than plants); but Brelooms sets all rely on Bullet Seed / Seed Bomb / Leech Seed-- so it's not like GF hasn't said FUCK YOU PLANT BIOLOGY in their designs before. Not saying that makes me happier to have Breloom Bullet Seed my team in the face when it should have no means of using the move.

The flip side is that only the mushroom Pokemon should be able to use Stun Spore; so Vileplume and friends obviously said FUCK YOU to that rule too. So god damn Stun Spore Whimsicott can go fuck itself too.

Don't forget about Synthesis Vileplume (and Chlorophyll, ffs)

Originally Posted by Fat Captain Apollo

+ Ice Punch (and other Elemental Punches [but mostly Ice Punch])

Stats + Typing: Sky high Attack really helps Ice Punch hit very hard. Doesn't get STAB on Ice Punch, but a lot of Fighting Types get the Elemental Punches.

Ability: It would help sweep with Moxie, but it's not really that good of a fit with it's abilities.

Design: It's design fits it more than Wooper, but that's another story. It's got arms and fists, so it should be able punch with an icy fist.

Need: It would help Heracross get past Gligar, AKA his number 1 counter in UU. Heracross wouldn't have to rely on stone miss to get rid of other Flying Types too. If Heracross got Ice Punch it wouldn't really have a safe switch in in UU.

Other: I know it's been mentioned before but if Gastly and Wooper get it, I don't see why Heracross can't.

Most likely because it has no way of creating Ice (though plenty of other Pokemon with Ice Punch shouldn't have anyway of using it, either).