Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam
Thrash isn't a legitimate attack option for Gyarados anymore? And SE Surf's still pretty good from time to time. I'm lazy to do calcs right now (it's effing 2am here and i need my sleep), but I'm pretty sure Hyper Beam/Return shits all over Magmar and it's pitiful defense anyway.
One of the main draws to IGT Machop is that it's female, hence it basically doesn't care about Attract. Problem is, thanks to how GSC handles gender, female Machops have pretty shit Attack IVs (0-3, iirc), so I probably won't consider using it in the long term anyway, even if it could become Machamp / boosted exp yadayada. Machop's useful as an emergency member against Whitney (similar to Rocky against Falkner), and is easier to obtain in G/S since the trade is the ridiculously common Drowzee instead. Miltank just needs some specific counters (other ones include Curse Gastly if you don't mind dragging it for 10 levels, as well as Geodude).
Speaking of Geodude, it's not really stuck with underpowered moves: Rock Throw is pretty good offense for a while, Magnitude has an average power of 71 and Rollout can be boosted by Defense Curl. Then we have Selfdestruct for emergencies. It's not that bad.
I did say that its attack stat was incredible, but it's not nearly as good at being a Water type as...say...Tentacruel, who shits all over things with Surf.
It's just a shame that it doesn't get Rock Slide off of that nummy Attack Score...it's still pretty darn good, though, and Magnitude is still a great move for endgame (sometimes doing more damage than EQ!)
Miltank's big fear, as I stated in my previous post and others have stated as well, is Paralysis, Sleep and accuracy drops. Gastly's bulk isn't great at all, so I don't know if it could handle a Rollout chain from Miltank. Curse is still an interesting idea, though.