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Originally Posted by Fat Magcargo 2
I actually think cinncino should be replaced with something else. Offensive Nidoqueen or aerodactyl seem like better options. They both are stronger than cinncino and seem like they have good type synergy with most of your team.
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Aerodactyl seems a good idea, mainly because I prefer my last resource being faster with a Scarf than the majority (if not all) of Scarfers of the tier, giving me a chance to deal with +1 Speed pokemon too, and even +2, since these will most of the times KO my TR setuppers. Even though, Cinccino is able to hit harder with a Scarf than most pokemon, including Aerodactyl, thanks to Skill Link.
What my last pokemon seeks is outspeeding fast scarfers, like Manectric and Primeape, and still being able to OHKO it. Take note of a few calcs I did to choose Cinccino instead of other scarfer, for exampe I'll compare with Scarf Aerodactyl, which would be a bulkier option:VS Scarf Primeape:
252+ Atk Skill Link Cinccino Tail Slap (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 275-330 (101.47 - 121.77%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scarf Primeape is outspeeded by Scarf Cinccino
252+ Atk Aerodactyl Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 186-219 (68.63 - 80.81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl: 268-316 (83.48 - 98.44%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
VS Scarf Manectric:
252+ Atk Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manectric: 310-366 (110.32 - 130.24%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Manectric Volt Switch vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Aerodactyl: 252-296 (78.5 - 92.21%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Skill Link Cinccino Tail Slap (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manectric: 275-330 (97.86 - 117.43%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Manectric Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cinccino: 198-234 (67.8 - 80.13%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
These are only two examples. Overall, Cinccino can hit most things harder thanks to STAB Skill Link Tail Slap, even with a lower base attack. Even not being able to OHKO most threats I'm used to KO with Cinccino, Aero seems really worth a spot.
Offensive Nidoqueen is a totally different story. I could get Max HP and SAtk so I could use under Trick Room, but I'll lose my sweeper outside TR, while being a little more vulnerable to opposing Nidoqueens since there won't be a speed tie; a Max Spe and SAtk still carry some nice speed and bulk, and Queen still isn't fast enough to not be a threat under TR. This also deserves some testing, even more than Aero, to be honest.
Still, I'm not quite open to get rid of Cinccino, but you really gave me some ideas. Thanks for the feedback.